Revelation 10: 1-7 -- The most misunderstood Bible chapter by the Message believers

A cloud appeared briefly at sunset for 28 minutes on 28 February 1963 over the city of Flagstaff in Arizona, North America.

The cloud was photographed by  Dr James E. McDonald from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona, Tucson, and some people who were intrigued by the cloud. This big cloud attracted much attention.

Let us review the known facts, then you can form your own opinion about this cloud.

This first photograph below appeared on the back cover of the 17 May 1963 edition of  Life magazine.

The height of this cloud was 43 kilometers.  There is no face visible in this Cloud photograph.



Then a photostat of the above photograph on the back cover of Life magazine was made (shown below).

Some features of a dark face appeared on the photostat.


[The following information is  supplied by Believe the Sign. "When William Branham first attributed facial features to the cloud in the sermon 'It is the Rising of the Sun' (April 18, 1965), he was not looking at the original Life Magazine photograph. Rather, he was referring to a duotone (halftone) facsimile of the picture that brother Pearry Green had obtained from Shirley Abbott Studios of Beaumont, Texas. It appears that deficiencies in the reproduction process created some patterns of lighter and darker shading not present in the original picture, some of which appeared to suggest two eyes and a nose.]

The events of 28 February 1963 all started with a colossal explosion 44 kilometers in the sky above Vandenberg airbase on the Californian coast which is 1 000 kilometers to the west of Flagstaff.  This caused a huge cloud of smoke and explosion debris that went east, slightly north of the cities of Flagstaff and Winslow towards New Mexico. The cloud altitude there was estimated at about 43 kilometers.


Map Cloud

Photographs of the cloud taken from the cities of Prescott, Phoenix and Tucson were more of a side view of the Cloud.

But what baffled Dr McDonald was a photograph from the Winslow area which was more of a frontal view of the approaching cloud.  But it showed two clouds.

The smaller smoke cloud, seen just to the right of the triangular roof, was about 20 miles north west behind the bigger Cloud that had attracted all the attention. One cloud he could account for by the smoke of the explosion, but there was no natural cause for a second Cloud. This is the reason that he called it a mystery Cloud. Spelling Cloud with a capital C helps to stop muddling it up with the other smoke cloud. So that we know which cloud we are talking about.

Natural clouds do not form at 43 km, as the air is too dry. Smoke from the massive rocket explosion caused the smaller cloud.  This left the main Cloud unexplained and opened the door to a possible supernatural explanation.

Let us refresh the history of this event.

On February 28, 1963, a Thrust assisted Thor Agenda D rocket (named after the Norse god of thunder) was launched from the secret Point Mugu pad 75-3-5  at Vandenberg air force base on the coast of California. The rocket had an extra solid state booster  and was carrying a military Keyhole 4 spy satellite. It veered off course and was intentionally destroyed at 1:52 in the afternoon at an estimated height of about 44 kilometers. When the extra booster exploded it added an enormous amount of smoke and debris which would make the smoke cloud much larger than normal. The early explosion meant there was still a lot of fuel in the rocket which also added to the explosion debris.

But there is so little air at this height that the smoke particles spread far away from each other to become very thin and thus they reflect hardly any light. Therefore the smoke cloud is not visible in bright sunlight. The cloud would only become visible at sunset as the sky darkened, about four hours later. By then the smoke cloud was in the vicinity of Flagstaff where it finally became visible. That explains why no cloud was seen between Vandenberg and Flagstaff.

No secondary or side explosion was recorded when the Thor rocket exploded. No jet aircraft or other rockets were recorded in that vicinity. Dr McDonald’s report was gathered from about 85 photographs of the Cloud. A difficulty was that the  rocket explosion was at first denied by the military, and then much later admitted by them.

Noctilucent clouds (meaning they shine at night) are only visible around sunrise or sunset. Just like you can normally only see the International Space Station near sunrise or sunset when it reflects the sunlight from against a darker background.

High up in the sky, between 20 kilometers and 80 kilometers, there is such a strong vacuum that any water vapour particles or smoke particles or other chemicals that man can spray up there, using jet aeroplanes or rockets , move so far away from each other that they are too thinly spread out for us to see against the bright blue sky. But when the sky darkens at sunset as the sun sinks behind the horizon, the sunlight misses the normal natural lower clouds (below 20 kilometers) that become dark but reflect off very high artificial man-made clouds (between 20 and 80 km) that will suddenly become visible for a brief while after sunset. No natural clouds exist between 20 and 80 kilometers.

This was part of the attraction of the main Cloud. A massive, beautiful Cloud just seemed to be suddenly and spectacularly etched out high in the sky. The normal clouds were already dark, so this Cloud had to be very high.



There were two clouds that appeared over Flagstaff moving from the west to the east.

One cloud had natural causes, the smoke of an exploded rocket over the secret Point Mugu pad at Vandenberg airbase. There is no natural noctilucent cloud that forms between 20 km and 80 km in height. Thus the main Cloud has a mystery origin.

Both these clouds are necessary if we are to fit them into Scripture. Brother Branham speaks of a sign in the sky as prophesied by Joel who wrote of pillars of smoke. Not water vapour from rocket fumes that form high artificial noctilucent clouds, but smoke which would require a high altitude explosion.

Then there is also the sign of the Son of Man in the heavens, spoken of by Matthew which is something supernatural. A supernatural Cloud can be formed by the wings of supernatural angels.

A big error is to mistake the sign in the sky for the actual event.

The diagram below is not a photograph of the Cloud of 1963. It is just a diagram to show how noctilucent clouds can be seen at sunset because they reflect the light of the setting sun.


Let us refresh the laws of nature that make clouds.



Normal clouds are made from water vapour.  Smoke from a fire can also make a cloud.

Clouds cannot form naturally at a height of 43 kilometers as 99 % of the water vapour in the atmosphere is found below the altitude of 20 kilometers. Most clouds reach an upper limit of not more than 14 kilometers. A few stratospheric clouds may rise to around 20 kilometers. Above 20 kilometers the air is too dry as there is virtually no water vapour to form a cloud.

Smoke disperses as it rises into the sky. Smoke never naturally rises from the ground to such a colossal height of 43 km.

To make a cloud at a height of 43 kilometers requires artificially adding water vapour from the exhaust fumes of a rocket or jet plane or creating smoke by exploding a rocket.

When fuel burns it forms water vapour and carbon dioxide as exhaust gases. One litre of petrol can form a litre of water when it burns. But engines are hot and turn the water to water vapour or steam which is invisible, so we cannot see it.

In 2012 NASA made high altitude clouds by spraying out chemicals high in the atmosphere.

But this is a recent innovation. There is no report that they did this way back on 28 February 1963.

The main Cloud had a circumference of 150 kilometers. This is exceptionally huge. Jet engines leave a condensed trail (contrail) of water vapour that condenses into a straight line cloud behind them. No jet can fly horizontally at that altitude of 43 kilometers for such a distance.

The air is just too thin.

Natural clouds cannot form between 20 kilometers and 80 kilometers high. There is just no water vapour. So how do we make an artificial cloud in this zone?

A jet engine or a rocket engine leaves behind it a trail of water vapour or steam that condenses into water drops in the cold air, forming an artificial noctilucent cloud.  Propeller driven planes cannot fly this high as the air is too thin.

But on 28 February 1963 there were no jets or rockets flying in that area. There was only the one explosion.




But natural clouds (natural noctilucent clouds) can only form in the coldest part of the atmosphere between 80 and 85 kilometers high when the temperature drops below minus 123 degrees Celsius. At this incredible height a chemical reaction occurs between natural gas, methane, and water molecule fragments when water molecules have been broken up by ultra violet sun rays. These gases drift to this vast height and react to produce water. This water is so thinly spread out in the intense vacuum of near-space that it is invisible. But at that height there are tiny dust particles from burnt out meteorites that had plunged through the upper atmosphere looking like “shooting stars”. These tiny meteorites are about as big as a fly or a bee. The tiny meteorite’s fast speed through the thin upper air causes friction that burns them up in a spectacular flash of light until a microscopic dust particle is all that is left,  between 80 and 85 kilometers high. This dust acts as a nucleus for the high up water molecules to condense on and they freeze in the intense cold to form tiny ice crystals that reflect sunlight and thus look like clouds.

But these high natural noctilucent clouds depend on low temperatures and are only visible after mid May in America.

Warm summer air rises and expands in the thin upper atmosphere. This expansion causes extra cooling.

But the Cloud was seen in February and was "only" 43 kilometers high, nowhere near the needed 80 kilometer height where natural noctilucent clouds are.  They are so high that they are only visible from 40 minutes to two hours after sunset. You do not see them at sunset, certainly not in the first 28 minutes.

Climate change began affecting our atmosphere around 1975. Before then natural noctilucent clouds were only visible more than 45 degrees Celsius above the equator towards the north pole. Below that latitude it was too hot for them to form. The world population has doubled since 1963.  The more humans there are, the more greenhouse gases enter the atmosphere to produce climate change.

Vandenberg and Flagstaff are closer to the equator at a latitude of  35°, which was too far south from the north pole for natural noctilucent clouds. In the early 1960s, natural noctilucent clouds only formed between the two lines shown on the map. Above latitude 60° it was cold enough but the sun did not sink far enough below the horizon to reflect off the clouds.

The natural noctilucent clouds were there, but were not visible from the ground. Nowadays we can see them from space.


The red line shows the latitude of Vandenberg and Flagstaff. This is the path followed by the smoke cloud. This was also the latitude of the main Cloud. It was too far south for natural noctilucent clouds to form.

So the big Cloud was not a natural noctilucent cloud. It was not an artificial noctilucent cloud as there were no rockets or planes in the vicinity. There is thus no natural explanation for it. (Note that we are here talking about the big Cloud, not the smaller one that was caused by the explosion.)

This Cloud was not formed by the rocket, nor was it a natural cloud. It therefore has to be supernatural, formed by angel wings.

Now for some hard facts.

Brother Branham was hunting in the morning near Sunset Peak, but the Cloud was only visible at sunset for 28 minutes. The Cloud appeared on 28 February 1963 and the hunting season only opened on 1 March. According to his daughter Rebekah Smith, the 7 angels came to him on 8 March 1963. This was 8 days after the Cloud was seen. As much as we love William Branham, let us concede that he got his facts wrong when he said that the angels who left him that morning went up into the air to form the Cloud (after sunset). The Cloud was formed 8 days earlier.

But he was recalling events that happened about 3 months before. I would be equally haywire if I had to tell you what I was doing 3 months ago. So give the man a break. He is human. He makes mistakes. Let him who has never had a faulty memory cast the first stone.

He was unfortunately trying to explain how the Cloud formed. Thus he was speculating. He knew angel wings could form the Cloud but he had the wrong date, the wrong place and the wrong time of day. This should warn us not to speculate. We should just stay with known facts. Do not interpret facts to make them mean what you want them to mean.

So brother Branham was not in the right place at the right time if he wanted to see the Cloud forming.

Can a uniquely gifted man make such a big blunder over simple things like time and place?

Let us make a comparison with Einstein.


The greatest scientific genius of the last century was Albert Einstein.

When at Princeton he once had to phone the university to ask for his home address. He had clean forgotten how to get home. So he had problems remembering where he had been earlier that morning.

He once left home after telling his wife who he was going to see and where this person was. Twenty minutes later he phoned his wife to ask where he should be going and who he was supposed to be seeing. So does a genius forget basic facts? Far more often than what you realize. You and I recall basic facts far better than they do.

Einstein’s wife left him at home with a pot on the stove to look after, while she was out quickly shopping. Fortunately a friend came to visit and walked into a smoke filled flat. Einstein was coughing and gasping more than usual but was totally unaware that the flat was full of smoke. He had clean forgotten about the burnt food in the pot. He was even unaware of all the smoke. He was focusing on his calculations.

He invented the theory of relativity. It is still regarded as the greatest science theory ever to emerge from a single brain. His equations said that the universe expands. This was a revolutionary thought. No one had ever thought of that, so he ignored his equations and formed his own personal opinion that the universe does not expand.  Then he changed his equations to fit his opinion and made what he later called “the biggest blunder of my life”. So a genius will mess up on simple issues and big issues. Does that make him some kind of fraud? Not at all.

We correct what Einstein got wrong, and learn from what he got right. He created twentieth century physics, and was voted person of the century in 1999, despite making many other mistakes too. But wow, what he got right was spectacular and way above our ability. To look at a genius and criticize him for his faults is very small-minded. Very petty. Despite his mistakes, none of us are on Einstein’s level scientifically. And we also owe him a great debt. He established the theory that led to the invention of lasers. Queues in supermarkets move much faster than in the past because lasers rapidly scan the bar code of each item much faster than a person could type in the price and item. Lasers perform eye surgery, play DVD music, and have many other uses for which we need to say, “Thanks to Einstein”. He could forget simple basic facts, but his science was exceptional.

His opinions were not always correct but his equations were amazing.

His revolutionary ideas laid the foundation for modern physics that led to computers and smartphones and the GPS system, which is brilliant. Sadly, his most famous equation E = m c2  led to the atomic bomb. There he made a big blunder, as atomic bombs are a curse that lingers in terms of their long-lived and deadly radioactivity. The last word in the Old Testament in the Book of Malachi is “curse”. Part of this is the world’s future atomic destruction and the curse of the lingering radioactivity. This is an unfortunate legacy of Einstein’s brilliance because, ironically he was a pacifist who regretted the development of the bomb.


MALACHI 4:5   Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

:6     And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Sadly, Einstein, the greatest scientific genius of the last century, helped us down the path of natural knowledge by starting to unlock the deep secrets of the atom. This path led to the atomic bomb and our future holocaust of fire from the sky (as nuclear bombs explode high up in the air to maximize the destructive effect of their fire storm) and the resulting long-lived deadly radiation.

But before that happens, God promised us the greatest spiritual genius of the last century. A prophet who would unlock the deep secrets of the Bible, to turn the hearts of the end time Christian children back to the beliefs of the apostles, who were the Christian fathers who wrote the New Testament. This man was William Branham.

So the last verse of the Old Testament intertwines the legacy of brother Branham (the spiritual genius or prophet who restores us to New Testament knowledge) and Einstein, the natural genius who developed scientific knowledge and thereby helped create mankind’s biggest curse, the atomic and hydrogen bomb.

At the beginning of the Old Testament the tree of life (the Spirit of Christ) was also intertwined in the midst of the garden of Eden with the tree of knowledge (the spirit of Satan).

Adam and the woman had to leave alone the tree of knowledge in the midst of the garden. But the tree of life was also in the midst of the garden. For both of them to be in the centre or midst of the garden, they had to be intertwined. In Eden the greatest battle ever fought began. The battle between the spirit of human knowledge and wisdom and speculation, versus  the Holy Spirit that produces faith in God’s Word.


GENESIS 3:3   But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

GENESIS 2:9   And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Now at the end time God prepared a heavenly sign of two clouds forming reasonably close together at a height where natural clouds cannot form. The smoke from the spy satellite-carrying rocket that exploded represents the failure of scientific knowledge in their attempts to spy out and reveal all the enemy secrets from above.

The main Cloud was caused by the supernatural angels who would later spend a week bringing down the secrets of the seven Seals from heaven that would reveal the mysteries in the Bible that would restore us back to the New Testament church.

They did not bring down any secrets on 28 February as they stayed at 43 kilometers in the air.

They were just a sign in the heavens to attract attention.

Also, there was no one down below at the city of Flagstaff to receive the secrets.

Only a prophet could cope in that spiritual dimension but brother Branham was in Tucson, about 200 miles south of Flagstaff where the Cloud suddenly appeared in the sky at sunset.

There are no published photos showing the Cloud moving south to Sunset peak. It took four hours for the smoke cloud to cover the 550 miles from Vandenberg to Flagstaff moving at roughly 135 miles per hour. It was only visible for 28 minutes after sunset so it could not have moved much more than  70 miles in that time and Sunset peak is 200 miles from Flagstaff. It would have had to change direction and move south (of which there is no record) and while visible for only 28 minutes could only cover a third of the distance from Flagstaff to Sunset Peak where brother Branham would be eight days later.

This never happened as brother Branham claimed that the angels formed the Cloud when they left him. Then the angels would have to fly north from Sunset Peak to Flagstaff before becoming visible. But on 28 February he was not at Sunset Peak, so these statements are wrong.

Please remember that when you defend brother Branham’s wrong statements, you do not establish truth and you merely make his critics more skeptical as they know you are not telling the truth. How can this Message reveal the truth if we spend time and effort trying to justify a mistake?

We must learn to acknowledge his mistakes, correct them, and move on.

Brother Branham got his facts and figures wrong. That is obvious. Does that mean he was a fraud?

John the Baptist came to prepare people for the first Coming of Jesus.

LUKE 1: 17     And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the Baptist was that great prophet who turned the disobedient Jewish fathers who kept the Law, to the wisdom of their just children, Jesus and His disciples. These children, the disciples, then matured and became the apostolic fathers of the New Testament Christian faith. We, as end time children, must be restored back to these apostolic fathers and their New Testament beliefs.

We can easily assume that John, as a great prophet who was the forerunner of the first Coming, obviously never made any mistakes. Not so. He offered Jesus the greatest insult possible. Having introduced Him as the Messiah, he then sent two disciples to ask Jesus if He was the Messiah. What was the response of Jesus? Did He condemn John for this awful mistake? Not at all. Jesus complimented John for what he got right, and referred John to the Scriptures that would correct his gross error.

So that is my approach as there is no better role model than Jesus.

If the Message that  prepares us for the second Coming contains a mistake, then we correct that mistake. Repeating a mistake will never establish truth. But correction does not involve any condemnation nor belittling of William Branham. We compliment him on what he got right. He still remains the Elijah who was promised to restore us back to the early church. His particular genius lay in revealing the mysteries of the Bible. He was never sent to teach us geography. So if he got his whereabouts wrong, as Einstein also managed to do, and got his dates wrong, then we overlook these faults in favour of the brilliant Bible truths that he did get right.

(If you think that a prophet has to get everything in his life right then you are mistaken. Check out the famous heroes of the faith in Hebrews chapter 11. We can find many mistakes that these people made. That however did not disqualify them as great men and women of God.)

He imagined that the angels formed the Cloud as they flew up away from him. That was his big mistake.

He had no proof of this, but built up this doctrine on a guess, which was very wrong. He also guessed that the end of the age would be by 1977 and that was also wrong.

This just teaches us that his quotes are not the Absolute. Some quotes are wrong.

So check the facts, and ignore the wrong quotes.

Despite these mistakes, there is no Bible teacher who comes close to his spiritual genius in unfolding the hidden mysteries of the Bible. But because some of his statements are wrong, we must learn never to replace Scripture with his quotes, nor with pastors'  interpretations of his quotes.

He was the voice of the seventh angel who can make mistakes in places. He was not “the voice of God” Who is infallible.

The darkest continent on planet Earth is our human mind when it is made up and thus totally closed to any facts or Scriptures that disagree with our current church opinion. That is why Jesus stands outside all our churches.

Any belief that cannot accommodate all these facts about the Cloud, cannot be correct.

'The Revelation of the Seven Seals' book has a wrong comment in its introduction:

Brother Branham knew nothing about the Cloud when he preached the seven Seals. He only heard about it some two months later. The angels left him 8 days after the Cloud was photographed.

Brother Branham met the angels near Sunset peak which is 200 miles from where the Cloud was  briefly seen. The Cloud never came near Sunset peak. It moved from west to east,  from Flagstaff past Winslow towards New Mexico.

So wrong ideas were put into the Seven Seals book right at the beginning. This helped to develop more wrong ideas about the Cloud. One big fault as humans is that we do not check the facts. We prefer to quickly make up our minds by feeling that we have to believe quotes that are wrong, and then we defend this error with great determination. We are not very bright as we easily fail to separate fact from fiction, and thus cannot discern news from false news.

Einstein guessed that the universe was not expanding which he said was his biggest blunder.

William Branham made two bad guesses -- that his 7 visions would end by 1977, and that the Cloud was formed by the  7 angels as they left him.

He guessed that his seven visions which ended with America ruled by a cruel woman and being destroyed  in multiple explosions would happen by 1977. The visions were fine. But he was totally wrong to fix a date. Fanaticism took over in Message circles in 1970 (because certain Message preachers said  7 years were lost in the Dark Ages. Yes, we were dumb enough to believe our Message pastors) and again in 1977 which was brother Branham’s definite date. Extreme doctrines were preached. The Cloud was regarded as the Coming of the Lord. In 1969 Pentecostals painted “Jesus is Coming” on a mine dump in Johannesburg. Message believers changed it to “Jesus has Come”.   I heard Message preachers say many times that the Lord would come in 1970. Many of us were told to give up our jobs that year. When Jesus did not come, then a quick recalculation that ignored the seven years “lost” in the Dark Ages  shifted  the date, and 1977 became the definite prediction for the Coming of the Lord. Brother Branham himself had predicted this date. Then in 1978, when nothing had happened in 1977, a Message preacher would simply deny that he had ever preached the Coming in 1977.

Many Message followers believed that the Cloud was the Coming of the Lord in 1963, which ended the Laodicean church age. This was in complete contradiction to what brother Branham actually said in July 1965.


We send greetings from the East Coast to the West, to all our friends in Christ, who is listening in. We send greetings over in San Jose, Brother Borders, the group up there. We send greetings up in the mountains, Prescott, Arizona, to Brother Leo Mercier and his group that's up there waiting for the Coming of the Lord. We send greetings to those in Tucson, that's gathered tonight, waiting for the Coming of the Lord. Down into Houston, Texas, to those who are waiting for the Coming of the Lord. Up in Chicago, to those who are waiting for the Coming of the Lord. Up on the East Coast, New York and Connecticut, and the great groups up there, that's waiting for the Coming of the Lord. We don't have room here to seat them, so we just have to send them the Word through the medium of the telephone. We send greetings to Brother Junior Jackson tonight, and his group down in Clarksville. Brother Ruddell, up on sixty-two, and his group, waiting for the Coming of the Lord.

And we're gathered here tonight at the home church, the tabernacle, waiting for the Coming of the Lord.

So the Lord definitely had not come by 1965.


Another claim was that the Cloud ended the Laodicean age.

But look what brother Branham said later on in 1963, long after the Cloud had appeared.


What church is He coming to? The church that we are living in, the Laodicea Church Age, the last church age,


Then I wonder, in this day, of this loose, lazy, soft Laodicea age that we live in. We all know, and have been through the Church Ages, that we are living in the last age, the Laodicea Church Age. And this lazy, loose, happy-go-lucky, joking, sinful age of lust that we're living in now,

So, months after the Cloud, brother Branham said that we were still in the Laodicean church age.


According to Revelations 10:1 to 7, all the mysteries that's wrote in this Book, that's been hid down through the age of the reformers, is supposed to be brought out into view by the angel of the last church age. How many knows that's right? That's right, supposed to be brought. All the mysteries of the mysterious Book is to be revealed to the Laodicea messenger of that age.

Brother  Branham kept getting revelations until he died in December 1965.


This is the seventh church age. Remember, and each time that that sun begin to shine in the East, is the same sun that shines in the West. And the same Spirit that's been all down through the ages, like that, is the same Son today. Only, what is it? Just like ripening, the season. The sun that's now, will be the same sun that ripens the grain this fall, this autumn, see, but (what is it?) it's this sun plus what it will be. And today, in this last age, is what they were, plus This.

Ten months after the Cloud and brother Branham says we are still in the last age, the seventh church age. The same sun that shines in the east is the same sun that shines from the west. This symbolizes the Gospel of the first church age in the middle east  has to be the same Gospel that is preached at the end time in the west.

So instead of going back to what the early church believed in the first church age, Message people are indulging in speculations that future events have already happened, and these future events are thus pulled back into the past.

If that is so, then we have no future. Because the future has already happened in 1963.

The Cloud is their main focus for turning future events into the past. A sort of “back to the future” belief.

65-1412  THE RAPTURE

We all know we're living in the Laodicea Age. There will never be another age to it. It can't be. So, we're living in the Laodicea Age

The Only Believe magazine published seven predictions by seven well known Message preachers on the outcome of the first Gulf War, just before the war started in 1991. All seven were basically gloom and doom, and spoke of the demise of America and its military. None said that America would destroy the Iraqi army in in less than a month and a half of spectacular military skill and overwhelming firepower.

Message believers interpreted the vision of a beautiful but cruel woman ruling America to mean that Hillary Clinton (beautiful?) would win the 2016 presidential election. She lost.

The one sure result of Message preachers making dramatic predictions over the years by interpreting William Branham’s quotes is that they somehow, with great skill, always manage to get it wrong.

Brother Branham got the 1977 date for his visions wrong.

His claim that the angels formed the Cloud when they left him at Sunset peak was also totally wrong.

But by now , having believed wrong things about the Cloud for more than 50 years, Message believers are so hardened in their errors that it seems they cannot change their viewpoints.


What is the significance of these two clouds?

MATTHEW 24:3   And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4:   And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

The disciples asked for a sign of His Coming. They knew they could not ask  about His actual coming.

MATTHEW 24:36   But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

No man knows, and that includes William Branham, the seventh angel. The coming of Jesus Christ is top, top secret. We will only know when it happens.

We must be restored to the beliefs of the apostles. They did not want to know about His Coming as they knew that was not their business to know.  All they asked for was a sign of His coming.

Therefore that is all we are allowed to ask for. So if something supernatural happens in our day, like the main Cloud, the most it can be is a sign of His Coming.

But Jesus immediately replied :  If you want to know about these future events - If you want to know about a future sign then beware. The most likely thing to happen is that you will be deceived.

What is the most obvious way in which we can be deceived?  When we mistake the sign for being the actual event.

So Rule 1. Do not ask about His Coming.  Rather look for a supernatural sign of His Coming.

God was using these two very unusual clouds to try to tell us something.

Where are we in the Big Plan of God?

The focus of the clouds was on sunset, or evening time, in the west when they became visible.

There was no focus on a man, because brother Branham was unaware of the Cloud and at least 200 miles away.

ZECHARIAH 14:7   But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

In a confused denominational time of knowing certain truths, but also being subject to wrong human opinions and church traditions, God was going to allow brother Branham to reveal the seven Seals that bound up the mysteries of the Bible that the reformers and Pentecostals were unable to solve.

GENESIS 24:11   And he made his camels to kneel down without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water.

It was evening time when the trusted servant found a bride for Isaac, the promised son.

I KINGS 18:36  And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.

: 38     Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

At evening time Elijah pulled down God’s power from Heaven.


Evening time occurs at sunset. Sunset happens in the west. So brother Branham was sent west.


ISAIAH 43:5   Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

The seed of eternal Life was the first church that was planted. The last church, when harvested, has to be identical to the seed that was planted.


It's so perfectly, how the first-hour messengers with the Word, with the Gospel, with the Truth, they came in at the Day of Pentecost. Then there was a dark age that blocked them out. Then at the middle of the day, Luther, and Wesley, and them, came in. And then there is to be an evening-time Message, and to receive the same thing that they did at the beginning. The evening-time Message is to restore back again, to bring back that same thing again.


Today most Message believers claim that the future has already happened, The Lord has come, and the Angel has come down with the open Book. The early church never claimed that. We have to be restored back to what the early church believed.

We must go back to the past, the first church age (symbolized by Sunset Peak). We must not try to place the future in the past (Rattlesnake mesa, the serpent’s territory that is next to Sunset Peak).

ISAIAH 45:6   That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

The Gospel began with the first church in the middle east. From the west would come a restoration to the early church when the mysteries of the Bible would be revealed.

There is none beside God. He is the Absolute. No quotes can replace His Word. No prophet is equal to God. The “Voice of God” was not promised for our day. The “voice of the seventh angel” was promised.


ISAIAH 59:19   So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

We must fear Jesus and His Word, the Bible. Nothing can replace the Scripture. Brother Branham’s quotes can reveal the mysteries of Scripture, but they cannot replace Scripture. There will be much opposition to the revelation of the written Bible, but some will indeed lift up the banner of Scriptural truth, while the majority will come in with a flood of quotes and interpretations of quotes.

A standard is a flag that is lifted up on a staff or pole. God showed His supernatural sign above a place called Flagstaff.


HOSEA 11:10   They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.

The Lion of the tribe of Judah is Jesus. We must go back to the Bible truths that the early church believed in the Lion age.

Our Gentile Elijah, getting his commission in the west of America just north of Tucson near Sunset Peak,  should have turned the heart of the end time children back to the apostolic fathers by being able to reveal the mysteries of the seven Seals.

This revelation of the Bible mysteries would attract a Scriptural bride.

REVELATION 10:7   But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

But in that same area was Rattlesnake mesa. The serpent and his unscriptural speculations are also there to swallow up the unwary. Make sure your quotes are reflected in Scripture.

We should understand the Bible. But if we just interpret quotes we will not understand the Bible.

LUKE 12:54   And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

This was natural in Israel. To their west was the Mediterranean sea. Wind blowing over the sea towards Israel would pick up water vapour which became rain.


Water from the sea evaporates to form a cloud.

A westerly wind blows from the west to the east. This blows the cloud over the land where rain falls.


A smoke cloud from an explosion came from the west coast of America in 1963. Then it was joined by a supernatural Cloud of angels. They were both seen in Arizona, which is part of the American far west. That was a sign in the heavens.

About one week later these same angels appeared to William Branham to commission him to go back east to Jeffersonville to reveal the secrets of the seven Seals. Those revelations were such a shower of deep, new insights into the Bible that they should restore us back to the teachings of the apostles so that we could prepare for the Coming of the Lord.

Unfortunately many followers used these insights to speculate that the future has already happened. Then there is nothing to prepare for.


HOSEA 6:3   Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

In the morning, the first church age, God prepared all His Truth in the New Testament writings. He wants nothing outside of these Scriptures. But truth was lost in the dark ages. Now He is coming to us in the form of two rains.

The former rain (moureh) means a teaching rain. We must be taught the truth of the Bible by the seventh angel, just the way the first church believed. Then when the Angel of Revelation Chapter 10 comes down, He will raise the dead and change the bodies of the living. That will be the harvest rain. Before we can become part of the latter rain, the harvest rain, we must first have a former rain that teaches us and takes us back to the former beliefs of the early church. The first church did not believe that Jesus had already come. Nor must we.

Brother Branham obviously brought us the former rain as he tried to restore us back to the first age church by his Scriptural teachings.

If the Cloud was the mighty Angel coming down in 1963, then the harvest (latter rain) happened before the former (teaching) rain. Even brother Branham was not there. That simply means that we have all missed it. Not an encouraging thought.

The Cloud and the later visitation of the seven angels and the revelation of the seven Seals were so spectacular that people would think that Jesus had returned. People would also think that William Branham was Jesus.

2 000 years ago people thought John the Baptist was Jesus.

JOHN 1:19   And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

:20     And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ

John confessed to being “christ” which means “anointed” but immediately clarified that he was not “the Christ”.

Mistaking a great prophet for being God is easy to do.

A prophet brought the great revelations to John the Revelator and twice John fell down to worship this prophet. It is easy to think that a revealer of secrets is God Himself.

REVELATION 22:8   And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

:9     Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

So this same mistake must be made today. There will be those who deify William Branham.


First, let us establish that the Cloud of 1963 was a sign in the heavens of the coming down of the mysteries to teach us (the former rain). Then later the Angel will come down for the harvest, the resurrection of the dead and the changing of the bodies of the living.

Only then will the Lord Himself come to meet us in the air.

So, was the Cloud a sign?  Was the smoke cloud a sign?

If so, then the Cloud in itself was not so much an event as the sign of an impending event. We need to track down in Scripture how God was intending to reveal the mysteries of Scripture that would restore us back to the first church.

But first we are warned about mistaking a great sign in the heavens (a supernatural Cloud) and then a mysterious hidden experience with seven angels who lifted brother Branham into a secret, higher dimension, for being the coming of the Lord.

The second Coming of Jesus has nothing to do with any event that happens in a desert, nor in some secret dimension.

MATTHEW 24:25   Behold, I have told you before.

: 26     Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Northern Arizona, including Flagstaff where the Cloud flew over, and never came down, is semi desert.

But Sunset Peak where the seven angels came down to brother Branham is a proper desert, part of the great Mexican Sonoran  desert. One of the hottest places in America. It bakes like an oven, says one blog.

If you think the Cloud was the Angel coming down, you have no proof that the Cloud was ever below the 43 kilometer height. Also, there was no prophet there at Flagstaff to come down to. The prophet was about 200 miles away in Tucson.

If you believe that the seven angels coming down to brother Branham eight days later near Sunset Peak was the Angel coming down, then remember that no one else saw them, so it was a secret meeting where he was swept up into a higher dimension. Any secret chamber or dimension, especially if it is in a desert area, is not the coming of the Angel, Who is Christ in an angelic Body.

MATTHEW 24: 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

: 28     For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Lightning is moving light.

The apostles started the Gospel light in the Middle East. Truth was lost in the Dark Ages. Luther started again in Germany by preaching salvation. Then the Gospel light moved westward to England with John Wesley’s holiness and outreach movement that led to the great missionary age. Then the Gospel light moved further west to America with the Pentecostal revival. Then brother Branham had to be far west in America, in Arizona, to get the final revelation of the first age mysteries that had been lost, which the reformers were unable to understand.

The corn seed that is harvested at the end is identical to the corn seed that was planted at the beginning.


Now, the seventh angel's Message is to open the mystery of the Seals, calling the eleventh-hour Gentile workers to receive the same pay that the first hour workers got. See?

A carcase is Scriptural meat or doctrine for the eagles who want to have a deeper insight into the revealed Word of God. They do not want human opinions, nor wrong facts. Parrots may be happy with that diet, because they just repeat what they hear without understanding it. Or perhaps birds like swallows. They just swallow whatever the pastor or priest says.

The Gospel that began in the middle east will be the same Gospel that is restored in the west. America is as far west as we can go.

John the Baptist revealed Jesus as a Man amongst men. William Branham had to reveal and explain the Bible so that we can recognize Jesus as He walks through the pages and the symbols of the Bible.

64-0315  INFLUENCE

Signs of the Coming is at hand. Jesus said, "As it was at Sodom, just before the world was burnt, the Gentile world," this would return. It should influence us and put us in action, too. When we see the Word fulfilled, that He promised, it should put us in action.

In 1964, a year after the Cloud he is talking about signs of His Coming. So obviously the Cloud was not His Coming.

64-0209  COUNTDOWN

… He has told us the signs that would be in the skies, the things that would be happening just before the coming of Christ. We see that now. It's only a pointing post.


Desperation. Signs of His Coming should throw every member of Christ into desperation now,

Six months after the Cloud appeared and he is still talking of signs of His Coming. So the Cloud was not His coming. Then the photo on the Life magazine back cover is called a sign in the heavens.

64-0112  SHALOM

That day they took pictures all across southern United States and Mexico. There it hangs now in the Life Magazine, still a mystery to them. But He declares it in the heavens before He does it on earth. He always does that. He shows His signs in the heavens first.


His signs always foreruns His events,

Most important. A sign is sent before the event happens. The big mistake that people then make is to think that the sign is the event.

AMOS 3:7  Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

God will not do anything before brother Branham can reveal it.

But the revelation only describes the event, it is not the event. A sign of an impending event is not the actual event. 


Great signs in the heaven above, Angels coming in constellation! And scientists looking off at it, predicted months before it happened. There it was. There it's in the magazine. Told months before it happened! Seven Angels come down, and said, "The complete revelation of the six-seal mystery of God would be unfolded." And there it was just exactly like He said, predicted before it happened.

And they look around, they find all kind of mystic sights, and call them supernatural beings of some kind. They call it flying saucers, fearful signs in the skies, on earth. Signs, the signs pointing to us that the Coming of the Lord Jesus is at hand.

Thus the Cloud, which was 6 months earlier, could not have been the actual Coming of Jesus. It is a sign pointing to the future Coming of Jesus.

JOEL 2:30   And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Here we read of smoke linked to wonders in heaven.  It is a wonder that science is able to send a rocket to 44 kilometers height and then explode it so that it produces two streamers or pillars of smoke. Smoke does not speak of a natural cloud, but of a man-made cloud.


But when the last picture, when It formed Itself into the skies and so forth, this is it as Look here packed it. You see how it rose up just as they begin to see it, you see. And there comes the real main and last picture, when it formed.

They don't know where it come from or where it went, they don't know yet. Science is completely stumped about it, don't know what happened. But we know; "there shall be signs in the heaven above."


Both the man-made pillars of smoke from the colossal explosion that formed a cloud as well as the seven angels that formed the supernatural Cloud are spoken of in the Bible. This makes it a significant event. God was drawing attention to this place.

Pillars of smoke formed the smaller smoke cloud.

63-0707M  The Indictment

 … "And it shall come, as spoken by the prophet Joel, Joel 2:38. 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I'll pour out My Spirit upon all flesh.'"

Listen at that prophet standing there. Look at him, fearless, standing there upon that bunch, and condemning them, indicting them. Said, "This is the Scripture! This is that that was spoke of by the prophet! 'I'll pour out My Spirit upon all flesh. Your sons and daughters shall prophesy. On My handmaids and maidservant I'll pour out of My Spirit; and I'll show signs in the heavens above, and on earth; fire, and pillars of smoke, and vapor.'" Proving it by the Word, that it was the Word.

The fire from the explosion caused the two large pillars of smoke  that rose up into the air to form the small  cloud that is seen in the photograph, and thus fulfilled this part of Joel’s prophecy.  So God was showing wonders in the heavens to us.


And then in that great observatory, so that the world will be without, they're still wondering what happened. In Tucson, them big observatories took the picture of it up there; still wondering what happened. What is it? They still put in the paper, "Does anybody know anything about what, how it could have happen?" There is no fog up there, there's no air, there's no moisture; thirty miles high in the air. Oh, my!

"There shall be signs in the heaven above. And when these things take place, earthquakes in divers places, then shall appear the sign in the heaven, of the Son of man."

MATTHEW 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

The great Cloud was not the Angel of Revelation 10 descending, it was the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. It flew over Arizona near Flagstaff at a great height of about 43 kilometers. It never descended.

64-0112  SHALOM

But before He broke forth on those Seven Seals to reveal them, that He showed miraculous, He showed it first in the heavens.

That day they took pictures all across southern United States and Mexico. There it hangs now in the Life Magazine, still a mystery to them. But He declares it in the heavens before He does it on earth. He always does that. He shows His signs in the heavens first.

Get the events in their correct order.  The signs in the heavens come first.

65-0801E  Events Made Clear By Prophecy

 Friends, this is the fulfillment of Malachi 4, Saint Luke 17, Saint John 15, oh, so many, Revelations 10, so many prophecies that can be pinned exactly to this day. And also in the Book of Mark and in Matthew, where He said these great signs and wonders would appear in the sky, and people call them saucers, flying saucers, can vanish with the power and quickness of a thought, intelligence that can move in. He can write, He can speak, He can do whatever He wants to. The great Pillar of Fire, "the same yesterday, today, and forever." And sights coming upon the earth, pyramids of smoke rising into the air, way above where there cannot be no humidity nor nothing, thirty miles high. Predicted a year and a half before it happened, that it would be that way. Then turn the picture and see Who it is looking down

The smaller cloud was a man-made wonder made from smoke due to the explosion at that great height.

Joel prophesied of smoke in the heavens. How was that fulfilled?  By the massive explosion of a souped up rocket.

What did it signify?

It was launched from the secret Point Mugu pad at Vandenberg airbase in order to place a spy satellite in orbit which, from above, could reveal hidden secrets to the American military.

This exactly symbolized in the natural what the seven angels in the main Cloud were going to do supernaturally. Eighteen days after they formed the Cloud they were also going to bring down and start revealing the great secrets from above, from Heaven, which were locked up behind the seven Seals in Revelation Chapter 6.

Why was the supernatural Cloud of seven angels then linked to Joel’s man-made smoke cloud, which was also a sign in the heavens?

The heavens are the place where an eagle flies. An eagle with its amazing eyesight symbolizes a prophet with his amazing insight into the mysteries of the Bible.

We are in the third exodus.

The individuals who make up God’s Bride coming out of the church.

REVELATION 18:4   And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Moses led the first exodus of the Jews out of Egypt.

The first exodus started with a sign that was a mixture of the natural and the supernatural. He saw a natural bush that burned with a supernatural fire that never burned up the bush.

God met the prophet Moses in a desert to commission him to lead the first exodus.

EXODUS 3:1   Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.

: 2     And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

This mixture of a natural and supernatural sign was just a way of God drawing attention to this place.

God uses signs to attract our attention.

Elijah, when he fled from Jezebel, went to mount Horeb where Moses began his ministry, also in the desert.

I KINGS 19:8  And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God.

Elijah was the only Jewish prophet that went back to mount Horeb where the Jewish exodus began under Moses. Elijah was not attracted by big things like wind, earthquake, and fire. What called him was a still, small voice.


I KINGS 19:11   And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:

:12     And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

:13      And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave.

The Bride will only be attracted to the voice of Scripture being revealed, however small and quiet the number of people involved. The big supernatural events in brother Branham’s ministry are impressive, but of  secondary importance. Understanding the Bible is the main attraction.

The voice spoke last. It was the last thing.


We've had rushing winds, and thunder, and everything else. But the hour is coming now that the voice of God speaks. And He proves that's Him. It was Him that sent the thunder. And they went after the thunder instead of listening for the voice. He sent the wind, but they went after the wind instead of the voice.

Over the last more than 50 years various Message believers ran after a variety of more than 30 different Thunder doctrines that were supposed to give them rapturing faith. They never raptured upwards but, sadly, some have died and were buried downwards.

We have to be patient and wait for God's time. Trying to manufacture one thunder, or trying to puzzle out seven thunders in advance, will not help God's plan. Then you are just trying to make a name for yourself as being clever and bind people into your own fuzzy opinions. (Rattlesnake mesa. Beware of the serpent who has poison in his mouth).  Rather take brother Branham’s quotes back to Scripture if you want to be useful to help anyone return back to the Light of the first church age teachings. (Sunset Peak. Stay in the Light)


Moses was vindicated by a supernatural pillar of cloud, and a supernatural pillar of fire.

In 1950 in Houston a photograph was taken of the pillar of fire above brother Branham’s head by a man called Kipperman.


Just before going to Sunset Peak to hunt, brother Branham was called back to Houston to successfully plead with the Governor not to execute the stepson of Kipperman, who subsequently got a life sentence instead.

Brother Branham then preached a sermon called “the Absolute” on 4 March in Houston  and then drove the 1 000 miles back to Tucson and then went to Sunset Peak area where he pitched his tent on 6 March to start hunting.

So just before meeting the seven angels, brother Branham reminded us from Houston that the Bible is the Absolute.

He, like John the Baptist, can make mistakes, but the Bible cannot make a mistake.

Houston was a reminder of the supernatural Pillar of Fire. Then at Sunset Peak the seven angels, who had formed the supernatural Cloud eight days earlier above Flagstaff, were going to meet him. Pillar of Fire and a supernatural Cloud. These were a reminder of Moses’s ministry. Why?

The Bible mentions Moses just before telling us of brother Branham’s ministry.

MALACHI 4: 4   Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

: 5        Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

: 6   And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



Takes the Book of Seals and breaks them and shows the seventh angel, for this alone, the mysteries of God, is the ministry of the seventh angel.

The main purpose of his ministry was to reveal the seven Seals that would unfold the mysteries of God.


So the third exodus actually started with a smoke cloud and a supernatural Cloud as a sign at sunset above Flagstaff.

Then near Sunset Peak  the seven angels told him to go back to Jeffersonville where they would reveal the seven Seals to him.

The Pillar of Fire and Pillar of Cloud were the same vindication that Moses had.

Moses had a sign of a natural bush with a supernatural fire to start the first exodus.

The eagle prophet had a physical smoke cloud linked to a supernatural Cloud of angels. Then those 7 angels would reveal to him the secrets of the seven Seals so that the individuals in the Bride could understand the Bible which would cause the third exodus from the church. The end time children would turn back to the teachings of the apostles who were the fathers of the early church.

“lest I come and smite the earth with a curse”.

A curse is something that lingers. This is the radioactivity from atomic and hydrogen bombs. The total explosive power of the far more powerful bombs of today is equal to 700 000 times the power of the bomb that fell on Hiroshima.

Russia has exploded the most massive hydrogen bomb. It had ten times more explosive power than all the bombs of World War 2, including the two atomic bombs that were dropped.

So don’t wait for the great Tribulation when atomic fire falls from the heavens.

To maximize the destruction of their fire storms, modern nuclear bombs explode several hundred metres up in the air and an inferno of fire rains down.
II PETER 3:12   Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


The main Cloud was not made from water vapour, nor smoke, nor sprayed chemicals, so it had to be supernatural. It appeared at a height where natural clouds cannot form. Thus it was a sign from God. A son of man ministry indicates a prophetic ministry as we can see from the prophet Ezekiel.

EZEKIEL 3:4   And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.

Son of man also emphasizes Jesus when He acts as a Man rather than acting as God.

JOHN 5:22   For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Jesus, as a fellow Man, judges us. He will not judge us as God.

JOHN 12:48

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Our responsibility is to know the Bible. We will only be judged by what is written in the Bible. That is why William Branham had to reveal the Bible to us.

Those who base their beliefs on quotes are in for a big surprise and a big disappointment. America being destroyed by 1977 was the wrong date.

He had the wrong date of his hunting trip which was about a week after the Cloud. These mistakes should warn you against just repeating a quote like a parrot. God wants you to think. Even good teachers make mistakes. But if their students do not spot the mistakes, then the teacher realizes that the students do not understand.


 … Now, all these things I've said, if they don't jive with the Bible, or dovetail with God's Word, they're wrong, they're wrong,

Quoting brother Branham is not enough proof. You also have to line up his quotes with Scripture.

The angels visited him on 8 March. His daughter Rebekah Smith supplied that date. It makes sense. He was in Houston on 4 March and the javelina hunting season closed on 10 March.

So God formed a supernatural Cloud consisting of seven angels that we could all see at an impossible height far in the west of America at sunset on 28 February.

Then a man would go hunting near Sunset Peak and pitch his tent on 6 March. The same seven angels then came to him on 8 March to tell him to reveal the seven Seals. Only a prophet could do that. The 7 angels formed the sign of the Son of man (Jesus the Word) in the heavens on 28 March and then came down a week later on 8 March to identify a son of man, a prophet who could reveal the Word.

MATTHEW 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:


And then in that great observatory, so that the world will be without, they're still wondering what happened. In Tucson, them big observatories took the picture of it up there; still wondering what happened. What is it? They still put in the paper, "Does anybody know anything about what, how it could have happen?" There is no fog up there, there's no air, there's no moisture; thirty miles high in the air. Oh, my!

"There shall be signs in the heaven above. And when these things take place, earthquakes in divers places, then shall appear the sign in the heaven, of the Son of man."



But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:



I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

:2     Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.


Jesus wanted to reveal the mysteries of the Bible through William Branham  so that He could finally judge our age in the full light of Scripture.

The Cloud was the sign of the Son of Man Who will judge us when He appears  by what is written in the Bible.

The sign of the Judge in the sky, warning us to be strictly Scriptural in our beliefs because we are to be strictly judged by the Word.

The Cloud fulfilled the first meaning of the word “appear”, because it was the appearing of the sign of the Son of man in the heaven. He is the Judge.


REVELATION 10: 1   And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

The Cloud simply does not fulfill this verse.

The Cloud could represent a head, if you used the Photostat, but it had no body and thus no clothes.

The Cloud had no rainbow and no face. The Photostat revealed some dark features of a face. But that dark face does not shine like the sun so it cannot be the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Two pillars of fire represented His feet. The Cloud had no feet and has no bright Pillar of fire. Again we revert, very artificially, to the Photostat. There is a bright light in front of the face. Perhaps this is the Pillar of fire. But one bright Light in front of the face does not fulfill the prophecy of two bright Lights down where His (missing) feet should be.

The rainbow is even more artificially contrived. A rainbow from the other side of the back cover had some of its ink seep through to create a rainbow over the Cloud. But the original photo of the Cloud on the back cover has no face. So from that original photo you cannot determine that the Cloud represents a head.

To claim that the Cloud is a head, you have to refer to the photstat that shows a face. But the photostat is just different shades of one colour and shows no rainbow. So this is not very convincing as a fulfillment of prophecy. Unless you are determined to be convinced by it.

Who is this Angel with a rainbow upon His head?

The Angel of the covenant. He is the only Angel linked to the rainbow.
GENESIS 9:13   I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

A rainbow of seven dominant colours represents God's promise not to drown the earth under water.

This rainbow symbolizes God's promise that His chosen people, each of whom are made from a handful of earth, would not be drowned out by the flood of evil people and wrong doctrines that would flow over the earth during each of the the seven church ages.

Then at the end of the seventh church age, this Angel of the covenant comes down to raise the dead from all seven church ages.

What special Angel is there in Heaven?

There is only one Archangel. His name is Michael.  This is Jesus when He takes on an angelic body.


"And at that time Michael shall stand, the great prince." Michael was Christ, of course,

DANIEL 9:25    Messiah the Prince 

DANIEL 12:1   And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

JUDE 1:9   Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses

Jesus, the Man,  is Messiah. He is the Prince because He is the Son of God and God is the King. His name is Michael, Who happens to be the Archangel. So Michael is the name that Jesus takes when He appears as the archangel, the chief angel. His ministry as archangel involved raising the dead body of Moses so that Moses could appear hundreds of years later on mount Transfiguration.

I THESSALONIANS 4:16   For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The shout was the revelation of the mysteries brought down by the seven angels, and entrusted to brother Branham as the former rain (teaching rain) so that the voice of seventh angel, in writing (books) and audio (tapes),  could teach the Bride and lead the third exodus out of the church.

Notice, the emphasis is not on the man William Branham; it is on his voice -- what he taught from Scripture. He had to open the Bible for us so that we could understand the mysteries of the Biblical symbols and prophecies.

The voice of the archangel will then raise the dead as the harvest rain from all seven church ages.

The harvest only comes right at the end, not more than 50 years ago, way back in 1963.


REVELATION 10:2     And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth.

Once the mysteries had completely come down from God as the revealed Word, then the individuals in the Bride could open the Bible and understand what they were reading. This opened and revealed Word would restore them back to the apostolic church of the New Testament.

Then it will be time for the archangel to descend to raise the dead.

The Cloud had no feet. It was 43 kilometers high, but Flagstaff on the land, is about 500 kilometers from the gulf of California, the closest sea. Trying to visualize a being with a height of 43 km and with (missing) feet that are 500 km apart is very unconvincing as a fulfillment of this prophecy.

Now we come to one of the biggest mistakes made by Message believers.

They are convinced that the Angel, in the form of the Cloud, came down in order to open the Book’s mysteries to brother Branham. But the Cloud never came down and he was about 200 miles away in Tucson. The Cloud never came down anywhere as it stayed at 43 kilometers height until the darkness obscured it after its brief 28 minutes of visibility near Flagstaff,

But brother Branham never says that “the Angel came down to open the Book”.

That is made up by Message preachers. We are back in Rattlesnake mesa which is next to Sunset Peak. Injecting poison in the form of human opinion and speculation.

Brother Branham said that the Angel only comes down after the Book has been opened by the seventh angel.

That makes more sense. The mysteries come down as the Word of God to enable the seventh angel to open the Book to reveal the hidden mysteries that will prepare us for the coming down of the Angel when He comes to resurrect the dead.

God always reveals an event so that we can be prepared, before He actually does it.


AMOS 3:7   Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

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I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud:.....
....And he had in his hand a little book opened (Now, the Seals had done been broke here. We're breaking them now; but this, the thing's opened.)... and he set his right foot on the sea, and his left on the earth,

Brother Branham was busy breaking the Seals in March 1963. When the Angel comes down the Seals are already broken.


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…the seventh angel, when he sounds, all the mysteries of God should be finished up by his sounding. Then after it's revealed, the Angel come down from heaven, which was Christ (Now remember, this angel and is on earth, a messenger). Down comes Christ (You see Him in the 10th chapter of Revelations.), puts one foot upon the land and the other one on the sea…

The Angel only comes down after all the mysteries are revealed.

The mysteries are to prepare us for the important coming of the Angel.

If he came down first, we would be totally unprepared and his visit would be wasted on us as we would not be ready.

A similar problem is to say that the Cloud came down to hand over the Book. It would have been a waste as there was no one below it who could have received the Book. The prophet was 200 miles away.


And here He returns back in the 10th chapter after the coming time, that all the mysteries is to be finished, and the Seals are to be broke, and proclaiming that its time is no more. And he said, "When the seventh angel has begin to sound, then the mysteries should be finished and time for the Angel to appear. We're close, somewhere. That's right.

The Cloud APPEARED 17 days before and he says that we are close to the time for the Angel to appear.  That means the Angel has not yet appeared. But first, before the Angel can appear, the seventh angel must finish revealing the mysteries. That process  was complete in December 1965 when he died.

63-0318  THE  FIRST  SEAL

What about the hour has come that when His Bride must be taken away? What, that the hour has come that time shall be no more?

The Angel is ready to set one foot on land and the other on the sea with a rainbow over Him, with feet, and say, "Time's run out."

And besides that, He raised up His hand and swore that time would be no more when this happened.

The Cloud had no feet, just a head. The Cloud appeared 18 days before he made this this quote. Here brother Branham says the Angel is ready to come down. That means the Angel had not yet come down. When the Angel comes down He will have feet, unlike the Cloud.

Why is it essential for the Angel to have feet? Because He comes down to perform the resurrection of the dead saints from the seven church ages. Those saints are either buried on land or at sea. For example, many of the Pilgrim fathers died on the sea voyage to America and were buried at sea.

64-0119  SHALOM

But, remember, if it goes plumb into the shadows of death, "I am the resurrection and Life; I'll raise him up again." And when the great Director comes down and bears that stick down, then, "time shall be no more." When that Angel, of Revelation the 10th chapter, puts one foot on land and one on the sea, and a rainbow over His head, He swore, "time shall be no more." When that time comes, you will rise up from among the dead. While the rest of them lay there, you'll go in.

The time for the Angel is still to come. So this is a future event.

But most significant, brother Branham links this future event of the Angel to what Jesus said in the past at the resurrection of Lazarus. So this mighty Angel is coming down to perform the resurrection. This is a revolutionary thought. I have never heard anyone else say that. Is there any Scriptural justification for such a statement?

REVELATION 10: 3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Both expressions “cried with a loud voice” and “when he had cried” can be associated with death and resurrection.

JOHN 11:43And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Lazarus rose from the dead.

MATTHEW 27:50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

:51     And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

:52     And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

:53     And came out of the graves after his resurrection,

“when He had cried”  is then linked to the resurrection of the Old Testament saints which took place just after His resurrection.

The loud cry of this mighty Angel is the voice of the archangel that produces the resurrection of the dead believers from 2,000 years of church history.

First there is a “shout” as the mysteries come down from God to reveal the Word of God to the seventh angel for the former or teaching rain to prepare us for the descent of the Archangel, that mighty Angel Who raises the dead.

Then later, once we have gone back to the original teachings of the first church age, there is the “voice of the Archangel” to raise the dead. A corn seed is planted under the ground. Then it rises above the ground to become identical with the original seed. At that stage it is harvested or pulled upwards away from the plant. So God’s harvest or latter rain is when the dead saints all pulled up from their graves and appear above the ground again. Here we must be careful that the living church must be identical in belief to the resurrected first church age saints.


For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

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We've all got a victory. We've fought through many victories. And a great victory is coming just soon, right around the corner. Our complete V-day will be soon, when the Son of God shall break the skies, and scream with the Voice of the Archangel, and He shall come again. And the graves shall open, and the dead shall walk out.

April 1963, two months after the cloud, and brother Branham says that the Archangel shall come, sometime in the future, for the resurrection when the graves open. So the Cloud was not the Archangel.

If we say this resurrection has happened we are in trouble. Then we are guilty of vain babblings. This is equivalent to junk food.
II TIMOTHY 2:16   But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

:17   And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

:18   Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Cancer is the dread disease of our age. Cancer the crab is the last zodiac sign before Leo the Lion of the tribe of Judah returns. Thus cancer represents the end time conditions. What is spiritual cancer? Claiming that the resurrection is past. This is a deadly doctrine. When the dead rise they will have no blood in their bodies. They will only speak New Testament truths, not our modern day fables.

I CORINTHIANS 15:50   Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

Why does the Angel stand on land and sea?

Because those are the two places where Christians have been buried.

Now the Angel stands there as the mighty Conqueror to raise them up. He is the Lion of Judah, the King. The triumphant roar as He finally rescues His Bride from the grave. The Lion beast preached the truth in the days of the apostles and we, at the end time, must go back to those same beliefs.


REVELATION 10: 3     And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

“When He had cried” refers to the resurrection.

So when the resurrection is over, and the first church age saints are back on earth, then the seven Thunders will utter. We will hear the Thunders with them. That way we will learn new doctrines with them as we must be restored to them. If we already know the seven Thunders, we will be way ahead of them. If the seven Thunders have uttered, the resurrected saints will be left behind because the seven Thunders will not be able to utter to them to give them rapturing faith.

REVELATION 10: 4     And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

We can only understand the written Word if we can correctly interpret the symbols in which it is written. So anything that is not written has no symbols to interpret and thus we have absolutely no clue about what the content was of what they uttered.

But after the resurrection, our bodies will be changed. You will then have a new body and a new brain. You will be far, far more clever than Einstein ever was. With that incredibly clever new brain you will be able to understand hidden clues that you could never understand now.

That is why these unwritten mysteries must be left until then. If you guess at them now, you can only be wrong. We simply do not have the brain power to unravel what is not written. Message preachers could not predict who would win the last American election. They thought that the seven angels left brother Branham on 28 February to make the Cloud, just because he got the date wrong and all they could do was follow his error. What makes you think they can interpret unwritten mysteries correctly?


These next quotes make it clear that brother Branham never understood what the seventh Seal was, nor what the seven Thunders uttered.

     63-0324  SEVENTH SEAL

     What happens is that those seven thunders that he heard thunder and was forbidden to write, that's what the mystery is laying behind those seven consecutive thunders rolling out.

      Now, why? Let us prove it. Why? It is the secret that no one knows about. ...


      ….. Now, there was some reason that God let this seven voices be thundered, because it must come (See?) We find that Christ, the Lamb took the Book in His hand, and He opened that Seventh Seal. But you see, it's a hidden mystery. No one knows it. But it's right along with what He said: no one would know His coming; they also would not know about this seven thunder mystery. So you see, it's connected together.


     …..One of the mystery of that Seal, the reason it wasn't revealed, it was seven thunders that uttered their voices, and there it is perfectly, because nothing knows anything about it; wasn't even written.


… But I know that it was them seven thunders uttering themselves right close together, just banging seven different times, and it unfolded into something else that I seen.

Then when I seen that, I looked for the interpretation that flew across there, and I couldn't make it out…….. and there's one thing that I cannot interpret, because it's in an unknown language.

A message in an unknown tongue made it impossible for him to interpret the meaning of the Thunders.

He admits to not knowing what the seven Thunders are nor what they say.

He knew the purpose of the seven Thunders was to prepare the Bride for rapturing faith but he had absolutely no idea what their content was.

63-0320  THIRD SEAL

And then goes on and said, in the day just before these seven thunders, all the mysteries here are revealed.

All the mysteries must be revealed before the seven Thunders utter.

63-0321   FOURTH SEAL

And then after these Seven Seals are completed, we find in Revelations 10 there was seven mysterious thunders


....Now, that's what's the reason today that the revivals that we're supposed to have... We have denominational revivals; we haven't had a real stirring. No, no, no, no. No, sir. Don't think we got revivals. We haven't. Oh, they've got millions and millions and millions of church members, but not a revival nowhere. No, no.

    The Bride hasn't had a revival yet. See? There's been no revival there, no manifestation of God to stir the Bride yet. See? We're looking for it. It will take those seven unknown thunders back there to wake her up again. He will send it. He promised it. Now, now, watch. Now, she was dead.


63-03 18    THE SECOND SEAL
God, help our unbelief. Take it away from us, Lord. We want to receive rapturing grace. We want to be able when that mysterious thunder thunders out yonder, and the Church is taken up, we want to be ready to receive it, Lord

Grace is needed for us to be caught up in the air. We will need a new body. The catching up is after the changing of the body. This is what the thunders are concerned with.

63-03 18   THE FIRST SEAL

Seven thunders of revelation... May He show the Bride how to prepare for the great translation faith.

Jesus walked on water. On the day of His ascension He walked up into the air. We have to walk upwards into the air to meet Him. That is what the thunders are to achieve.

If you know all about the seven Thunders but you cannot walk up into the air, then your Thunders doctrine is totally of no value to you.


Every one of you, cleanse all your heart. Lay aside everything, every weight. Keep it out of your way. Don't let nothing bother you. Don't be scared. There's nothing to be scared about. If Jesus is coming, it's a very--it's a moment that the whole world has groaned and cried for. If it's something breaking forth now, for a new coming of a new gift or something, it'll be wonderful. If it's coming time that the revelation of the seven thunders will be revealed to the church, how to go, I don't know. I have just stated what I saw.


The seven thunders will reveal to the church how to go when the Lord comes.


 Sunday I come down here to speak, and I tried to shake myself from it by speaking. Monday it was there again. And it's here now. And I don't know; I don't know, sirs. I'm only honest with you as my brothers. I don't know.

     Is it time? Is the mystery all finished? Has the sounding all over? Is that really them seven thunders fixing to utter out something that the little group that He's gathered together will receive a rapturing faith to go in the rapture when He comes; for we'll be changed as quick as those Angels come: in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up together with those that is asleep to meet the Lord in the air.


Again he links the thunders to the changing of the body, being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Christian prayer has raised the dead and healed all manner of disease. But how to get our bodies changed into immortal bodies? How to walk up into the air?

That is going to take something new from God. Our clever ideas will never achieve it.


 63-03 18   THE FIRST SEAL

And then there's coming forth seven mysterious thunders that's not even written at all. That's right. And I believe that through those seven thunders will be revealed in the last days in order to get the Bride together for rapturing faith; because what we got right now, we wouldn't be able to do it. There's something we've got to step farther; we can't have enough faith for Divine healing hardly. We've got to have enough faith to be changed in a moment and be swept up out of this earth, and we'll find that after a while, the Lord willing, find where it's written.

The seven Thunders will give the bride enough faith to be be swept up out of this earth. This catching away is linked to our being changed from this body into a glorified body.

Both of these great events are something that is still to happen. They are not some clever theory that some preacher has to present to the bride.


….Then the seven thunders utter their strange voices, and John was going to write... It was... John knew what it was, but he didn't write it, 'cause he was forbidden to write it. That's absolutely and altogether a mystery. It's not even in symbol or nothing. We just know it thundered; that's all.

19 And last week's tapes, I think, will reveal to you the great hideous things that we're going to speak on one of these days when we can get a place sufficient, of the opening of those last plagues to be poured out upon the earth, those Vials, rather, pouring out of the Vials, and the Seven Thunders, and those hideous sights that's coming upon the earth. Man now, and people today, are in such a neurotic condition; the whole world!


Here he definitely links the Thunders to the Vials and the Plagues that are poured out in the Tribulation. It is 1965 and he still wanted to preach on the Vials and the seven Thunders. He still saw them in the future as they are “to be poured out”.


Now, in doing this, I have come here for the purpose of teaching the last Vials, last Seven Vials, and the last Seven Trumpets, and the last Seven Thunders, of the Book of Revelation, tying them together in this hour that we're now living; to follow the opening of the Seven Seals, the Seven Church Ages. So, we couldn't get room to do it. So I hope that, soon as I can, we'll... can get a place sufficient for that, either here or in Louisville, New Albany, or either put up a tent, so we can just stay as long as the Lord leads us to do."


He still wanted to preach on the seven Thunders. He had not yet, by 1965, told us what they were.

63-0324   SEVENTH SEAL

     Did you notice when the Jews asked Him that? You know when we compared the Scripture here with Matthew 24 with the six Seals, the Seventh Seal was left out; because (You see?), Christ said only God Himself knowed, not even the Angels. No wonder, it wasn't even written. You see, they hushed; nothing take place then. Angels don't know it; nobody knows when He's coming. But there will be seven voices of these thunders that will reveal the great revelation at that time.

    So I believe, to us who... If we don't know it, and we-- it won't be knowed till that time, but it will be revealed in that day, in the hour that it's supposed to be revealed in. So the thing for us to do is to be reverent before God and serve Him, and do all that we know how to do, and live good Christian lives.


This is all future tense. His Coming is a total secret. Right at the end this secret will be revealed by the seven Thunders.  Until then, both the seven Thunders and the seventh Seal which reveals His Coming will be total secrets.

Message preachers cannot even predict important world events. Do not trust them to know these vital secrets. Just leave the Coming and the seven Thunders alone. We are completely out of our depth when we tackle these subjects.

We know what the function of the Thunders is. We have absolutely no clue as to what they are or what they say.

William Branham never said “The seven Thunders have uttered”. If you believe that, you have got it seriously wrong.


The disciples never asked the Lord when He was Coming. They just asked for a sign of His Coming. We have seen the Cloud which is as sign. So let us follow their example and not try to puzzle out when He is Coming.


MATTHEW 24: 3     And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

:4   And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Don’t be fooled by charismatic and forceful preachers.

:23     Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Do not look for Jesus in a great Cloud or in seven angels in the Sunset desert.

:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This verse applies to the Bride and the Jews. The Bride saw the Jews go through a preview of the Tribulation during the holocaust of World War 2. Then in future years the Jews will go through the actual Tribulation.

63-0323   SIXTH SEAL

-the martyrs in the tribulation of the pre-tribulation of Eichmann

God allowed a pre-tribulation of demonology unleashed by natural dictators like Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin, on natural Israel as a pre-view of the Tribulation during World War 2. The Bride misses the Tribulation. But the holocaust of Hitler and Eichmann gives us an insight or revelation into what will happen during the Tribulation.

In a sense we saw the Tribulation spiritually from a distance, rather like watching a horror real life “vision” while the Jews suffered physically. In a sense, the Jews suffered on our behalf so that the Bride did not have to suffer a holocaust or tribulation, but at the same time we could see exactly what the Tribulation will be like. This is God’s grace towards us.

Then after World War 2, all the Christian prisoners of war who were forced to co-operate with each other in the German prisoner of war camps, went home and launched the World Council of Churches which began the uniting of all the different churches. God works with Israel in the physical, and with the church in the spiritual. So Matthew 24: 29 has a spiritual application to the church world and a physical application to the Jews.

Let us consider the spiritual application to the church :

Immediately after the tribulation of those days [ after the pre-tribulation preview of Hitler’s Holocaust against the Jews which ended in 1945 when the war ended ]  shall the sun be darkened, [ sun produces light. The churches united by moving away from Scripture and accepting all sorts of human tradition and opinion. The Light of the Bible became less and less in the churches. The darkness of human interpretation and speculation spread ]  and the moon shall not give her light, [ the moon symbolizes the church that reflects the light of the sun which represents the Bible. By moving away from being Scriptural, the church has less and less Bible light to reflect to the world. The church offers their own politically correct opinions in order to be popular. But this is not light, it is darkness.] and the stars shall fall from heaven, [ those people who produce  Scriptural light  will be attacked and opposed and their names blackened until no one wants anything to do with them. Thus, effectively, they just disappear from sight.  The churches classify brother Branham as evil, and slander him as a devil that fell from heaven. They pull him down to destroy his influence. Message followers who focus on interpreting quotes similarly demonize and pull down those who only use the quotes to illuminate Scripture] and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [ a great Cloud forming supernaturally at 43 km high, that breaks and shakes all the known  laws of atmospheric physics will be part of the sign of the coming that the disciples asked for. This Cloud was the sign that preceded the coming down of the mysteries to the seventh angel to reveal six of the seven Seals and thus reveal Christ hidden away in the types and symbols and events in the Bible. These mystery-truths will prepare the Bride for the coming down of the Mighty Angel who raises the dead and changes the bodies of the living Bride].

Then this prophecy will also apply to the Jews in the natural:


Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

The Jews will face the actual Tribulation. The sun being darkened and the moon not giving her light will be a typical result of nuclear devastation. Nuclear bombs explode with the familiar mushroom cloud. This is a dark cloud caused by the smoke and vapourized soil and rock that was under the explosion. The tremendous heat, hotter than the sun, expands the smoky air and it rises upwards. When high enough, the rising smoke has the same density as the surrounding air and the smoke spreads out sideways to form the top of the mushroom.




The mushroom top of the cloud causes a deep shadow on the ground. The powerful hydrogen bomb explosion of 1952  did darken the sunlight as the dense smoke obscured the sun. "Dark Sun" was the name of the book, written by Richard Rhodes, describing the first hydrogen bomb.  At night, all the vapourized soil and smoke particles in the air also darkened out the moonlight.

REVELATION 9:1   And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

:2   And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

:3     And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Sun produces light, air is atmosphere. A fallen star or angel (messenger of the pit) unleashes the demonic hordes from the pit. They believe contrary to the Bible and have a harsh condemning attitude which darkens the atmosphere of love and peace and tolerance.

and the stars shall fall from heaven

Church leaders are in the news for abusing children and grabbing for money. They started as stars to spread the Gospel light but fell from their heavenly calling. The parable of the ten virgins ( clean women representing saved churches) says that they are all asleep. This indicates that the problem is in the pulpits. The preachers are keeping all Christians asleep. When sleeping we are unaware of what is going on. We have not noticed how the churches have been taken over by human leadership, opinions, doctrines, and traditions. The stars (leaders) have fallen from their first love of being Scriptural. Fallen“stars” plural, falling from heaven portray an unimaginable horde of vicious demons, ruthlessly destructive like a swarm of locusts, that destroys the sleeping virgin and attacks Israel in the Tribulation. Only the two prophets, with their supernatural power can hold this fanatical tidal wave of utter destruction back. Then the power of heaven will be shaken as a supernatural sign in the skies appears in a most dramatic fashion that overthrows all known natural laws of physics of the atmosphere. This will save the 1440000, threatened with extinction, and make them humbly aware that the One who comes after this staggering sign and wields such power over nature must be God Himself.


MATTHEW 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

The disciples never asked when He is coming. That is top secret. The most we can ask for is a sign of His coming. The Cloud was that. It was followed by the coming down of the mysteries of God to the seventh angel.

Then the Bride has to learn from him how to open up the mysteries in the Bible.

REVELATION 3:14   And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write

:20   Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

When the right number of individuals (not church groups -- in Laodicea Jesus stands outside every church and appeals to individuals inside) have become Scriptural in their thinking and no longer blindly follow human leadership (the word pastor is only mentioned once in the New Testament and thus has no right to be the leader) then only is the Book effectively open so that the individuals can understand the Bible, and time for the Angel to descend. The Bible has not opened if we cannot read and understand its symbols, prophecies and parables. We should know how to interpret the Bible, but most go for speculations and opinions.

Then Christ returns as the mighty Angel or Archangel to raise the dead.

Then comes the changing of the body for the living Bride.

Then come seven mysterious Thunders which will only affect you if you are in a new body. These Thunders will somehow be Scriptural. So if we do not understand the Bible we will miss them.

[For example: A woman will rule America. This is part of a vision that brother Branham saw. Message pastors interpreted this quote as being Hillary winning the 2016 presidential election in America. But a woman is a church. The quote actually means the growth to power of the Catholic church.

In opposition was Trump. A bad man. Message pastors thus ignored him. God won't let a bad guy win. But he promised to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel. God is turning to Israel when the Bride raptures, according to Scripture. Message pastors ignore Scripture and stress quotes. Hence they missed it. God backed the candidate who would help Israel. And Message pastors will continue to display how far they are out of tune with God’s thinking in the future.

After all, if they see a Cloud (which is a sign) as the actual Coming, they merely prove their Scriptural blindness.

God allowed William Branham to make some big mistakes over the Cloud. This was a warning to us not to rely on quotes. But Message pastors rush on heedlessly with their quote-interpreted speculations.

We live in a gifted but dark age, a self-obsessed ("selfie") time when the Bible says nothing good about us.  Thus we need wise and cautious advice to get illumination from Scripture, not reckless opinions based on our interpretation of selected quotes. Especially when some quotes about the Cloud are obviously wrong.

Message pastors who predicted Hillary winning, merely manifested their incompetence to lead. When the blind lead the blind they all fall in a ditch -- the Tribulation.]

Then comes the Trumpet for the catching up of the saints, which is the actual Coming of Jesus.


“time no longer”

REVELATION 10:5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

: 6     And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:


But then in the last age, all these mysteries are to be solved and handed out, and the Seals are to be opened by the Lamb and revealed to the Church, and then time is no more.

After the seven Seals are revealed, then only will the Angel be able to descend and say that time is no more.

Many Message preachers claim that "Time no more" means that  time stopped in 1963.


The other angels was messengers, men of the earth. But this Angel…..

But, this One didn't come from the earth. He come down from Heaven, because the mystery is all finished. And when the mystery is finished, the Angel said, "Time shall be no more,"

Time ends only when the mystery of God is finished, because the Message has fully revealed the written Bible to the individual members of the Bride. This can only be after 1965 when brother Branham stopped preaching and revealing the mysteries of the Bible.


So I'm late. But, you know, as we get over into that other realm where time is no more, we begin to forget about time. It all blends into Eternity, and there's no time, no more time limits.

Everything we do now has to be done within some time limit. So we are still very much in time, especially when chasing a deadline. When time ends is a very tricky concept. We are stuck in time and do not know what time is. From a scientific viewpoint, we cannot even measure time. We only measure the movement of a watch hand across the watch dial, but we do not measure time itself. When the Bride have immortal bodies, then they will be out of time, and then time will be no more for them.

But the rest will carry on in time. When you have your new body, you will be free from time, and only then will we really grasp what "time no longer means".

We will not age. We will sort of be in an eternal present tense. No past can trouble us, no future to be feared.

“I AM” is how the timeless God describes Himself.

But relax, we will not understand that now. Wait till then.


And He said, "At the sounding of the... at this time, the mystery of God should be finished." Who God is and how He was made manifest; how when that seal was opened, how we begin to understand now how that He was the Son of God, He was God Himself made flesh; and the revelation of Who He is; that should be finished before this Angel can put His feet upon the land and sea and sware that "there'll be time no more" when this time comes. We're right in that front yard of it right now. See?

The mystery of God must be finished before time ends.


The last one of them is Revelation 10, "Foot on land and on sea," time had run out, redemption is over, and now He comes in as a Lion. He was a Lamb then, now He comes in as Lion of the tribe of Juda.

Time ending also involves redemption being over.

Some Message believers say that the time of redemption ended with the Cloud in 1963.

63-0321  THE  FOURTH  SEAL

While I believe, with all my heart, the seat's still open. I believe He's still on the throne of God, but soon He is going to rise now and come forth to claim what He has redeemed.

But three weeks after the Cloud was seen, brother Branham says Jesus is still on the throne and will rise off the throne sometime in the future. So the Cloud did not end time. Nor did it end redemption.

63-1110E  HE  THAT  IS  IN  YOU

So, but you see, if God is in it, and telling the Truth, this is the last time of history. This is the last of the world's history. It's closing. There will be time no more, someday.

Nine months after the Cloud and he says that time will end someday in the future.


Question :  If time ceased when the Seals were opened, then the Millennium is also finished, is it not?

Answer : No, no. Time didn't cease when the Seals were opened. Misunderstood it. What happened, the mysteries was revealed, not time ceased. ….Because see? We got a thousand years after the church has gone home and comes back upon the earth. Then time ceases in the new heavens and new earth.



But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The word “But” changes the theme. The Angel came down after the mystery was finished and the Book was open.

But the mystery was finished before then, back in the days of the voice of the seventh angel.

The seventh angel revealed the mystery. Not the mighty Angel.

The mysteries came down as the former (or teaching) rain so that the seventh angel could restore us back to the first church age. This was necessary so that we could be prepared for the coming down of the mighty Angel who would raise the dead and change our bodies in the harvest or latter rain.


The mystery should be finished.

This implies some doubt.

Brother Branham left us with enough information to unravel the mysteries that we need to know to prepare us for the Coming down of the mighty Angel. This involves some effort from our side.

But if we misinterpret his quotes, we will mess up the mysteries and get them wrong. If we do not return to the beliefs of the first church age we will also be wrong.

So we should know enough, but if we are not careful we will not know enough and we will be unable to finish the mystery.

Watch the two comings in the next three quotes.


… when the seventh angel begins to sound his mystery, he winds up all of the loose ends that these fellows probed at, and the mysteries comes down from God as the Word of God and reveals the entire revelation of God. Then the Godhead and everything else is settled. All the mysteries: serpent's seed and whatevermore is to be revealed.

Coming number 1. The mysteries come down.

….And when the Seals are broke and the mystery is revealed, down comes the Angel, the Messenger, Christ, setting His foot upon the land and upon the sea with a rainbow over His head.

Coming number 2.  The Angel comes down after the Seals have been broken in order to reveal the mystery.

Now remember, this seventh angel is on earth at the time of this coming.

“this coming” is singular. Which coming is he speaking of? The prophet can only be  on earth for one of these two comings.

So does “this coming” refer to the coming of the mysteries or to the coming down of the Angel?

The Angel can only come down when the mystery is revealed and the Seals are broken.

Three paragraphs later brother Branham gives the answer.


And here He returns back in the 10th chapter after the coming time, that all the mysteries is to be finished, and the Seals are to be broke, and proclaiming that its time is no more. And he said, "When the seventh angel has begin to sound, then the mysteries should be finished and time for the Angel to appear. We're close, somewhere. That's right.

The Angel comes down after the mysteries are revealed. Those mysteries will prepare us for the resurrection and the changing of our bodies which is the ministry of the mighty Angel.

He says we are close to the time of the Angel appearing. But the Cloud appeared 18 days before this.

Brother Branham had to be on earth for the coming of the mysteries. That was his main ministry.


The other angels was messengers, men of the earth. But this Angel... But this One didn't come from the earth;

He come down from heaven, because the mystery is all finished.

And when the mystery is finished, the Angel said, "Time shall be no more," and seven thunders throwed their voices out.


This is very clear. The Angel did not come down to open the Book. He came down because the Book had been opened by the mysteries that had been revealed.

63-0112  INFLUENCE

We're told, in Revelation 10, that there'll be a messenger in the last day, will gather up these little ends and will bring them together. And then the mystery of God would be finished, at the sounding of this angel, which was a messenger of the earth. Then One came down from Heaven, with His hands up, rainbow over His head, and swore that there would be time no more; an Angel taking an oath

Once again: first the mystery must be finished, then the Angel comes down.


All right, reveals all the mysteries that's been in the past, all the things in the past: Revelations 10:1-7. That is to be. 

This is 18 days after the Cloud was seen and yet he places Revelation 10: 1 – 7 in the future.

He still has to reveal the mysteries and only after that can the Angel come down.


Revelations the 10th chapter and the  1 to the 7th verse. Time runs out. The angel said, "Time will be no more,"  in the days of this great thing to happen. Everything runs out in this time, at the end of this Seventh Seal.

The Angel of Revelation 10 is a future event that is a "great thing to happen".

Thus the Cloud which happened just over three weeks previously in the past cannot be the Angel of Revelation 10.


The Cloud cannot be the second Coming because the seventh Seal brings Him back to earth. The seventh Seal was preached 24 days after the Cloud appeared. But brother Branham's revelation of the seventh Seal was that it never opened.



The seventh Seal is His Coming, but it has not opened yet. Thus He has not come. The Cloud is not the seventh Seal as it appeared 24 days earlier. Thus the Cloud cannot be His Coming. If the Cloud was the Coming of the Lord, how could the seventh Seal bring Him back to earth 24 days after He came as the Cloud? Especially since the seventh Seal never opened.


Now we have another complication which involves the problem of time.

The mighty Angel also comes to the Jews. Thus the seven Thunders also utter to the Jews


... I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow... upon his head,...

If you notice that's Christ (See?), 'cause He in the Old Testament was called the Angel of the Covenant, and He's directly coming to the Jews now, for the Church is finished. See? All right.

... and his face... as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

You remember that Angel in Revelations 1? Same thing. Angel is a messenger, and He's a Messenger to Israel. See? The Church has been raptured. See? Now, or fixing to be raptured. He comes for His Church.

The Angel comes for the church that is preparing for the rapture. Then the Angel is also a Messenger to Israel after the rapture.

The mighty Angel has two ministries. The first one to the church, and the second one to Israel. Thus the Angel comes down right at the end of the Gentile age just as God removes the Gentile church and turns to the Jews.

Therefore the seven Thunders also utter both to the church and to Israel.

63-0321  THE  FOURTH  SEAL

Now, we had him coming last night with his great sword to kill. We find out that he gets killed with the Sword too, the sword of the Word. God's Word, sharp, two-edged sword slays him, puts him right down. Wait till them seven thunders utter their voices to that group who really can take the Word of God and hand it there. It'll slice and cut. And they can close the heavens; they can shut this or do that, whatever they want to. Glory.

The two prophets in the tribulation will close the heavens.

He will be slayed by the Word that proceeds from His mouth; it's sharper than a two-edged sword. They could call for a hundred billion tons of flies if they wanted to. Amen. Whatever they say's going to happen, because it's the Word of God coming from the mouth of God. Amen.

The two prophets will interrupt nature, thanks to the power of the seven Thunders.


This gives a second interpretation to the two feet of the Angel.

He is coming down to the church and to the Jews because the 144000 also have to be slain and resurrected. The Jews that were slain under the fifth Seal also have to be resurrected, because they are seen in Heaven when the Bride is around the throne, wanting to know when they can come back to earth to avenge themselves.

REVELATION 6:9   And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10:   And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

:11   And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Now, when is the Gospel returning to the Jews? When the day of the Gentiles is finished. The Gospel is ready to go back to the Jews. Oh, if I could just tell you something that is about to happen right in this our day. This great thing that is about to happen will carry over to Revelation 11 and pick up those two witnesses, those two prophets, Moses and Elijah, turning the Gospel back to the Jews. We're ready for it. Everything is in order. As the Jews brought the message to the Gentiles, even so the Gentiles will take it right back to the Jews, and the Rapture will come.

Something great is going to happen to the Gentile church, and then it will carry over to the Jews. That is how the seven Thunders will operate when the mighty Angel comes down.


Then we have a further problem. Do the Thunders utter from Heaven or from earth?


Look where the voices was in the thunders, not in heaven, on earth. The thunders never uttered from the heavens; they uttered from the earth.

Here brother Branham says the Thunders utter from earth.

63-03 24    THE SEVENTH SEAL

Now, now, do you notice on the opening of this Seventh Seal, it's also in a threefold mystery. This one I have--will speak and have spoke, that it is the mystery of the seven thunders. The seven thunders in heaven will unfold this mystery. It'll be right at the coming of Christ, because Christ said no one knew when He would return.

Here he says the Thunders are in heaven.

It is thus safest to just leave the Thunders alone. We are simply guessing which does not help anyone.


Message believers say that the Cloud was the appearing of Christ.

64-0531  THE ODDBALL

Depends on what you're wound on. See? So, may the Lord Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of the flock, ever keep your hearts so wound into Him, that, when the great Shepherd does appear, we will appear with Him.

This was preached in 1964, long after the cloud was photographed, and here brother Branham is still waiting for Christ to appear. So obviously the Cloud was not the appearing of Christ.

COLOSSIANS 3:4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory


When He appears, you will appear with Him. But no one appeared with Christ on the day that the cloud was photographed. Brother Branham was not even there. Nor were the rest of us. Most of today’s believers were probably not even born in 1963.


 … Show us the paths that You have ordained that we should walk. And give us of Thy grace and love, that we might follow those paths and instructions with all of our hearts, that we might be found, that day, in Christ, blameless, for we believe, Lord, that His appearing is soon.

(1965 and he is still waiting for Christ to appear)


But let me say this. Our Lord is not defeated. Men claim to open the door to God and shut that door, but they are liars. All that the Father has given Him will come to Him, and he that cometh to Him in no wise will be cast out; He will lose NONE of them. John 6:37-39. And when that last elected member to the body of Christ comes in, then will our Lord appear.


Another claim made by Message believers is that “He began to appear in the cloud and is now appearing more and more to His Bride”.

The early church believed Christ would come on a cloud, not as a cloud.

MALACHI 3:2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Appearing and coming seem to be interchangeable words.

I PETER 1:7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

II TIMOTHY 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

:2     Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

I JOHN 2:28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Appearing and coming seem to be interchangeable words.

I JOHN 3:2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

None of us are like the cloud. So the cloud was not His appearing.

Jesus has an immortal body. Once the mighty Angel descends, we will also have an immortal body.

65-0829  SATAN'S EDEN

 O God, to think that one of these hours, one will be going to visit the other, and be caught up. "Two in a bed; will take one, and leave one. Two in the field; I'll take one, and leave one."

May not one who sit here tonight and heard the Message, may not one of them be lost, from the least child to the oldest person. May their holy desire be only for God and His Word. We know not what hour He may appear,

This was preached in 1965, almost three years after the cloud, and brother Branham is still waiting for Jesus to appear. He does not say that He did appear as a cloud. He does not say that He is secretly appearing in some ongoing transformation that will take about 60 or so years.


We are living at the last hour. By the grace of Almighty God, by His help, to His people that they might look forward to the soon appearing of Christ... "How long, Brother Branham?" Maybe twenty years, maybe in fifty years, maybe in a hundred years; I don't know. And maybe in the morning, maybe yet tonight; I don't know. And anybody that says they do know, they're wrong. See? They won't know. God only knows.

This is after the cloud. He is still looking forward to the appearing of Christ which he says could be 50 or 100 years in the future.


May the loving Holy Spirit take them, lead them to water baptism, and to the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then sealing them into the Kingdom of God until the Coming and the appearing of the visible body of the Lord Jesus to catch away His Bride. They are Yours, Father. May the great God of the Shekinah Glory be with them now and forevermore. In the Name of Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.


And now, at the Coming of the Lord Jesus, those who are really loving His Coming, that's living for it; when He appears in the sky, the Church that's dead in Christ shall rise, and those will be changed in a moment

Notice how he uses “appearing”  and “coming” interchangeably. They mean the same thing here.


…And now, just before the coming of Christ, the Bible said there would be false christs arise and would claim to be Christ, and would say, "Lo," the people say, "He's in the desert." Don't believe it. "Lo, He's in the secret chamber." Don't believe it. "For as the sun shineth from the east unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of man be." See? Yes, He will appear, and it'll be a universal thing.

This was preached after the cloud was photographed. He says Christ will appear in the future and it will be universal. What happened between him and the seven angels in the desert at Sunset Peak was not the coming or the appearing of Christ.


Now, I want you to know this is sure, and you that listen to this tape. You might have thought today that I was trying to say that about myself, being that I was packing this Message. I have no more to do with it than nothing, no more than just a voice. And, my voice, even against my better judgment; I wanted to be a trapper. But it's the will of my Father that I declare to do, and determined to do.

I wasn't the One that appeared down on the river; I was only standing there when He appeared. I'm not the One that performs these things and foretells these things that happens as perfect they are; I'm only one that's near when He does itI was only a voice that He used, to say It. It wasn't what I knew; it's what I just surrendered myself to, that He spoke through. It isn't me, it wasn't the seventh angel, oh, no; it was the manifestation of the Son of man. It wasn't the angel, his message; it was the mystery that God unfolded. It's not a man; it's God. The angel was not the Son of man; he was the messenger from the Son of man.


Brother Branham has a portion of God’s Spirit. He does not have the fullness of God’s Spirit. Notice carefully.

“I am only the one that is near when He does it”.

The fullness of God was not in him. The fullness of God was near him, just using his voice to speak to the people.

“The seventh angel was not the Son of man”.

The Spirit of Christ as the Son of Man stood next to William Branham who was a son of man and spoke through him. Thus Christ revealed Himself through a prophet but the fullness of Christ was not in the prophet but was next to the prophet.

Brother Branham as a son of man revealing the Son of Man who stood invisibly next to brother Branham.



That's the reason he had to eat the scroll. He had to reflect that Word for that age. You got it?


 They have chosen today, not only a murderer, but a murderer of the Word, a satellite to the very first murderer.

When they, apostles was preaching the Gospel, and come down through Irenaeus, and many of the great reformers and founders back in the early age, it come to Nicaea, one time, for a showdown, and they decided to make a universal church, to force people to come under their jurisdiction. Many who has read the history there, knows many old prophets come there with animal skin wrapped around them, eating only herbs and things, and they tried to hold out for that Word, hold for the Word of God. But what did they do that fifteen days of bloody politics? They finally decided to make a universal church, and graft some paganism with Christianity, and set it out as a universal church.

So we still have Christmas and Christmas trees.


And, today, the Protestants are throwing themselves together in the Ecumenical Council, doing the same thing, grafting in tradition of man, and instead of taking the Word of God which is thoroughly identified by the Holy Ghost, that He's the same yesterday, today, and forever. The church stands in the balance, today, and is found wanting. You're back in Pilate's judgment hall. Yes, sir.

Judge everything with Scripture, not some man's opinion.


Jesus turned and said, "What is it to thee if he tarries till I come?" So He never...

Then there went a doctrine out. See how easy it can start? There went a doctrine out that--that "John wasn't going to die until he seen Jesus coming, or until the Second Coming." The Bible said there was a doctrine went out of that.

Howbeit, Jesus never said it that way. He said, "What is it to you if he tarries till I come?"

Be careful how you interpret quotes. It is so easy to put a twist into the statements.

Now, we find out that he was lifted up into the heavens and saw from then until the coming of the Lord, as though he had been there and seen it all happen. John himself did not live... He lived to be ninety-something years old, and then died in a natural death (the only one of the apostles) after coming from his exile from isle of Patmos.

The vision that John saw was so real that it was as though he had watched the actual event. But the vision was not the event.