Debate over Original Sin -- Adultery or Apples?

There are two opposing viewpoints on original sin. One viewpoint says that Adam and the woman, later named Eve, ate a fruit -- which some refer to as an apple. The other viewpoint says that the original sin was adultery.

This study will try to prove that the introduction of sex wrecked God's plan for eternal life in Eden.

 

Arguments in favour of a literal fruit being eaten will be highlighted in yellow.

Then you must consider your verdict.

We start with a Bible verse that says that Cain is not the son of Adam.

I JOHN 3:12 Not as Cain, who was [the son] of that wicked one,

No Scripture says that Cain is the son of Adam.

 

There is no Bible version of the above verse that implied Cain was ‘born’ of the wicked one. Please do not insert any other word which changes the intended meaning.

Reading the list of names of the ancestors of Jesus in Luke, the translators took the expression "Which was of Jesse” and added in  “the son” (in italics) to make it easier to read, because  that is what it actually means. So saying "of"  is the same as "the son of"  is thus Scriptural.

LUKE 3:32  Which was of Jesse,                         (original)

LUKE 3:32  Which was (the son) of Jesse,        ( added by King James Version translators )

LUKE 3:32  Which was the son of Jesse,           ( this brings out the actual meaning)

I JOHN 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one

can thus be written as

I JOHN 3:12 Not as Cain, who was (the son) of that wicked one

because that is the actual meaning.

There is no other specific reference to the father of Cain, the first born human, in the Book of Chronicles.

Cain is left out of the Book of Chronicles, despite being the first born. That alone is enough to make us suspicious of him.

Cain is a mystery man as there is no other verse that specifically states who his father was.

 

The scriptures clearly imply that Cain was the son of Adam. (Genesis 4:1)

“imply”  is not a categorical statement but a conclusion that suits your viewpoint.

But there is also an alternative viewpoint.

GENESIS 4:1   And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

:2     And she again bare his brother Abel. 

One sex act and twins are born.

Eve never said she got Cain from Adam.

But only God gives life. So she is correct in saying that Cain’s life came from God. Why does she not say that Adam is the father? Because he was not. The serpent was.

Knowledge means sex. Adam knew his wife once. And two babies were born, as twins.

But Eve already had a conception when God judged her. She was already pregnant from the serpent.

GENESIS 3:16   Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;

Eve had her chance to say that Adam was the father of Cain. But she never said that.

Adam is called the son of God.

LUKE 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Adam, as the son of God, cannot also be the wicked one, the Devil.

 

It's true that in the New Testament that Adam was called the son of God. That makes us all the children of God since we all are the offspring of Adam. But we see that some of us have become the wicked ones.

Adam was no saint. In fact, it was because of him that all his children inherited sin, imperfection, and death. (Roman 5:12)

There is no Scripture that refers to a single human as a wicked one unless Satan has entered that person.

LUKE 22:3   Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

I do not think it is Scriptural to call a fellow human being a “wicked one”. The one possible exception is Judas. But the Devil entered Judas. The same will happen with the final man called antichrist.

“Wicked one” is an obvious reference to the Devil.

Matthew 13:19      When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.

I JOHN 2:13   I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one

Demons wanted to be in the pigs at Gedara.

The demons could not create bodies for themselves, but they were happy to live in existing animals.

Evil spirits could not create bodies for themselves. Only God can create. Evil spirits indwell existing bodies be they human or animal.

“Wicked one” refers to the Devil who is an invisible spirit. But to fool Eve and talk to her he had to indwell the serpent, the top mammal, in order to become visible.

Lucifer was the top angel until he sinned. Then God cursed him and turned him into the Devil.

The serpent was the top mammal between man and ape ( the missing link). Being used of Satan to introduce sin, God cursed the serpent and turned it into a snake.

Spirits cannot have sex as they have no blood. Blood causes an erection.

 

Spirit beings cannot have sex but spirit beings can transformed into physical form. They usually appeared in the form of male humans. They can eat, drink and even sleep (Genesis 18:1,8; 19:3–4).

Spirits cannot create human bodies. Only God can create.

These three humans were God and two angels in human bodies. God can create human bodies. Demons cannot.

GENESIS 18:1   And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

:2     And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

:3     And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee,

This was God and two angels as Abraham would only call God “Lord”.

God, in a human body, prophesied of a son for Abraham at an impossibly old age.

No evil spirit could have done such a thing.

GENESIS 18:10   And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him

GENESIS 18:12  Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

Sarah knew this was physically impossible for her and Abraham.

GENESIS 18:13   And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

The man was God in a human body. He could discern the thoughts of Sarah’s heart even though she was in the tent behind God. This was the sign of Messiah because Jesus could discern thoughts in people 1900 years later.

God then prophesied the destruction of Sodom. Demons cannot prophesy major events. Only God knows the future.

These were not demons creating bodies for themselves. Demons have no such creative power. This was God creating a human body for Himself to speak to Abraham. God also created human bodies for two of His angels.

GENESIS 18:22   And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom:

GENESIS 19:1   And there came two angels to Sodom at even;

The two angels were in human bodies that God had created.

 

Can angels they have sex? Yes, according to Genesis 6:2,4. That was what happened in the past.

GENESIS 6:2   That the “sons of God” saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose

You are interpreting this Scripture without referring it to other Scriptures.

You are claiming that angels are sons of God. There is no Scripture that says that.

You are claiming that angels can make human male bodies for themselves but there is no Scripture that says that.  Angels cannot create.

You are claiming that angels sin. There is no Scripture that says that.

There was a revolt of angels at the beginning. The fallen angels were turned into demons. The loyal angels never sinned and then when they saw the consequences on those angels that did sin, they would not be stupid enough to sin later as that would cause God to turn them into demons.

 

HEBREWS 1:5   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

God never took on a Father-son relationship with angels. Sons of God is referring to humans who are right with God.

ROMANS 8:14   For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

PHILIPPIANS 2:15   That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke,

Seth was the son of Adam and Eve. Pure human.

Cain was a serpent-human hybrid that looked human. His daughters were hybrid.

The pure human males of Seth intermarrying with Cain’s hybrid human females,

caused all humanity to become hybridized.

The big mistake that the churches make is that it was not supernatural angels who intermarried with humans because angels cannot have sex and angels do not sin. The sinful angels were booted out of Heaven at the beginning.

It was the Devil-inspired serpent which was the top animal which had sex with Eve. That is how the nature of the beast entered the human race and explains why humans can behave so badly.

GENESIS 3:15     And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The seed of the woman was Christ, a Man Who had no human father.

The seed of the serpent was also a man who had no human father. The only candidate is Cain. Like the Devil, Cain was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

JOHN 8:44     Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

GENESIS 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast [chaiyat] of the field.

Beasts are mammals, not reptiles.

 

You know that the Bible was written in Hebrew and not English. The original Hebrew word to be translated as “beast" in the above verse is “chaiyat.”

Chaiyat refers to all the living creature in animal kingdom. Chaiyat was rooted from the world “Chayah” which literally means Life.

This is correct. Of all the living creatures in the animal kingdom, the serpent was the top creature, above the apes. Animals produced animal life through sex. So the serpent knew how to produce life through sex.

But neither the serpent nor Eve knew about the virgin birth which was God’s plan for humans.

Remember, eternal life cannot pass from parents to children via the sex act.

The serpent was not a snake as he was the top mammal, somewhere between the big apes and man. He was big. That is where the genes of giants came from.

God cursed the serpent and turned it into a snake. That is why there is a missing link.

Serpent and snake refer to the same animal.

No. The snake is the cursed serpent.

GENESIS 3:14   And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

The serpent was cursed from the highest beast or mammal and became lower than any mammal by being turned into a reptile, a snake.

Now it crawls on its belly. It was not like that before the Fall.

As a snake the serpent was given a forked tongue symbolizing that it spoke partly truth and partly lies.

On Day 3 God said that every fruit tree was good. There was no bad apple. No natural fruit was forbidden.

 

It's true that there was no bad fruit in that time. There was only one special fruit that God had set apart for him, and he told Adam not to eat the fruit (Genesis 2:16–17).

This is the question that the churches miss.

Of all the fruits, which good fruit did God ban as a very petty test of obedience seeing that no physical fruit could harm them?

The church cannot answer this question and thus do not know what the original act of disobedience was.

Punishing a woman in childbirth is not the right penalty for eating the wrong apple.

Bringing in the death sentence is rather harsh if the crime was eating the wrong apple.

GENESIS 2:17   But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam lived to 930 years old. So God is referring to His Days, not our human 24 hour days.

A Day with God =  1000 years.

Methuselah lived longest, 969 years.  So no person born of sex lived 1000 years or one Day.

II PETER 3:8   But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Every human, born of sex, has died within the day (our 1000 years) of his or her birth.

GENESIS 2:9   And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden. That means something else was

also in the middle of the garden with it.

The tree of life gave eternal life.

GENESIS 3:22   And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Thus the tree of life is a symbol of the Spirit of Christ.

You cannot find eternal life anywhere outside of Jesus Christ.

I JOHN 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Then the spirit of Satan is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Sex is a good and evil act. Good after the wedding ceremony and evil before the wedding or outside the marriage.

SONG OF SOLOMON 4:12   A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

A garden symbolizes a woman, with her fountain of life that can produce a baby, sealed with a veil of virginity.

GENESIS 2:9   And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The midst of the garden would be the midst of the woman’s body. That is where her womb is.

Eve’s womb could be used by God for the virgin birth of Jesus ( tree of life) or be used by Satan to bring forth life through sex (tree of knowledge of good and evil).

Carnal knowledge is the legal term for the sex act.

People, born of sex, are a mixture of good and evil. Good people can be evil and evil people can be good.

Satan entered the giant serpent which was very close to man ( the missing link that the scientists cannot find because its skeleton was totally changed) and had sex with Eve. This involved this top animal breaking the veil of her virginity and shedding blood in the process.

That is why God demands the shed blood of an animal to atone for sin.

The serpent lay on its belly on top of Eve, so God condemned it to be on its belly forever by turning it into a snake.

This act produced the Fall.

We still say that a woman “falls” pregnant. Why?

Nothing that is eaten defiles a person. Any fruit just passes through the digestive tract harmlessly.

MATTHEW 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

The words we speak can defile, not the fruit we eat.

MARK 7:14   And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:

:15   There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

If nothing that a man eats can defile him, then it is pointless to claim that eating a certain physical fruit was the cause of sin. God would then condemn two people to death who were not defiled.

 

The topic between Jesus words was different from the topic of the fruit in the garden of Eden.

The topic is the same. Jesus is just saying that eating anything is not a sin. This is a clear reference to the error that people believe about original sin. Adam and Eve were not defiled by what they ate, they were defiled by the wrong thoughts that they had about God's Word.

Eve was supposed to have the virgin birth when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her.

She could not wait and listened to another version. She thought that she could bring forth life by her own efforts as if she was a god who could create a baby.

These thoughts, which were different to God's Word, coming out of her defiled her.

Jesus always spoke in parables that used different symbols to represent spiritual truths.

The tree of life was in the midst of the garden and then it was at the east of the garden.

GENESIS 3:24  So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

The way of the tree? Trees do not move. Jesus said, “I am the way”.

Cherubims are special angels that are always found around the Spirit of God.

II KINGS 19:15   And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims,

So the tree of life was the Spirit of God with angels around Him.

Thus the tree of Life is not a natural tree. But a tree is the longest living thing on earth and thus the best symbol of eternal life.

Eating puts food in the belly.  Sex produces a baby which swells the mother’s belly.

PROVERBS 30:20   Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

Adultery is compared to eating. Eating satisfies a desire. So does sex.

Adultery between Eve and the serpent. Not with her husband.

"I have done no wickedness". She was so fooled that she could not believe that she had done anything wrong. So God never explained her sin with a “Because…..”.

GENESIS 3:14  And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this….

God explained to the serpent what the serpent had done wrong.

GENESIS 3:15   And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Seed is a reference to a son. So the serpent had a son. Cain.

GENESIS 3:16   Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Eve had conceived. The serpent had made her pregnant. A difficult child birth would show God’s disapproval of the sex act.

There is no “Because…”.  No explanation. Why does a just Judge not explain the reason for the sentence?   She was too fooled to understand what was wrong.

A woman symbolizes a church. The modern church is too fooled to know what the original sin in Eden was. They just say disobedience. But cannot say what the act of disobedience was.

Disobedience is the consequence of an action. The churches are too scared or too ignorant to tell people what the original action was.

:17  And unto Adam he said, Because thou …

So God explained to Adam what he had done wrong.

Fruit is a symbol of a baby. The mother is a fruit tree.

Elizabeth spoke to Mary:

LUKE 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said,

Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

What is special about fruit?

 

Fruit can symbolize a baby, but it can also symbolize our deeds (Psalms 1:1–3) The context will determine which one is the meaning.

The fruit of womb is a child (Genesis 30:2). It was a common expression used in ancient Israelites.

Correct. Fruit can refer to a baby or to a person’s deeds.

Eden showed us the two deeds that could produce a baby.

The sex act or the virgin birth.

Eternal life can only be found in Jesus Christ. So in terms of eternity, only the virgin birth would produce eternal life on earth. Born of sex, no person would survive 1000 years.

Eve’s sentence, which she could not understand, was all about the consequences of sex. Her conception would produce a temporary life that ends in death. Humanity was doomed to die. This was indicated by difficulty in childbirth. Humanity needed a Saviour, the Seed of the woman. The virgin birth that bypassed sex.

GENESIS 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;

What conception? Eve and the serpent.

Now God will multiply sexual conception. All children will be born that way.

Finally, at the end, the resurrected church lives through the 1000 years of peace after Armageddon. When it is over they will be the first humans who have made 1000 years and thus, created out of the dust by Christ in their resurrected bodies, they will be free from the death-curse that accompanies sex.

That will be the final proof of Christ's power over death.

GENESIS 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

The seed is in the fruit.

LUKE 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

God wanted a fruit tree (mother) to bring forth a fruit (baby) who had the Word of God in him.

Look what God said to Adam and Eve:

GENESIS 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply,

You must multiply like a fruit tree.

Eve must be overshadowed by the Holy Ghost and bring forth the virgin born Jesus.

JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

God's plan in Eden was that Jesus would grow to adulthood and then speak all His saints from the dust of the earth (as He will do on the day of the resurrection).

There will then be just enough people created to populate the earth. No extras who would hate God or disobey God and end up in hell.

Adam and Eve just had to wait for the Holy Spirit to move.

But Eve was impatient and got fooled by the giant good-looking serpent who was the missing link between ape and man.

Paul writes to the early church.

II CORINTHIANS 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,

Paul speaks of a bride being a virgin. Then of Eve, the bride of Adam, being beguiled.

Then God no longer had a virgin womb for His Son Jesus to be born from.

God’s plan was wrecked.

Her first child was Cain, a giant man-serpent hybrid.

So when Seth, the son of Adam, produced sons who intermarried with Cain’s hybrid daughters, then all humanity started to become hybridized with animal genes and God wiped out that concept in the Flood.

There is no eternal life in hybridization with animals.

GENESIS 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,

Each species must remain separate. There must be no hybridization.

Eve was supposed to have one conception by the Holy Ghost.

GENESIS 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;

Eve had conceived Cain by sex. That was the original sin. She was no longer a virgin. God would have to wait 4000 years before He found a suitable virgin in Mary.

God multiplied her conception ( singular). In Eden, instead of Jesus being virgin born, all children would be born of sex. The world would overpopulate. Evil people like Hitler

would be born who would find no place in Heaven and have to go to hell.

All the other sex-related problems like adultery, sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted teenage pregnancy etc would complicate life on earth.

God then punished Eve in a difficult child birth to remind her that sex was never His intended way. Eternal life cannot be passed on from parents to children via sex.

 

Query: "I fail to see how and why you have these notions and mix all the elements".

It is simply a desire to know what the original sin actually was that produced such devastating consequences. Also, there must be an explanation to all the Scriptures that I have referred to. These Scriptures must be part of some deeper theme.

God blessed all living creature with the ability to procreate so that there would not be just a couple of each animal. (Genesis 1:22)

True. Animals do not have free will. God switches off the sex desire in the female except for a brief time when it comes on heat. When enough animals have been born to fill the earth, then God would permanently switch off the sex desire.

And he also blessed the human kind to procreate just like he did to animal.(Genesis 1:28). Therefore procreation (by sex) was according to God's plan. That is why he created them male and female.

No. Eternal life cannot come through the sex act. Humans are very different because they have free will. That is a totally different set of conditions.

If humans have free will and live forever, how many children would they have? The world would soon be overpopulated. If you told them to have fewer children, that is not free will.

I CORINTHIANS 15:50   Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

There is no blood in the new kingdom. Without blood there is no sex.

MATTHEW 22:30    For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

There is no sex in heaven. Angels are never involved with sex.

Human procreation was going to be very different to the animals.

GENESIS 1:27   So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Man was created out of nothing. God is a Spirit.

JOHN 4:24   God is a Spirit:

Thus God created Adam as a spirit man.

The human body is not created out of nothing, it is formed or made out of dust.

Flesh and blood is not the image of a Spirit.

GENESIS 5:2   Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Eve was created as the feminine attributes within the masculine spirit of Adam.

Just like the Bride of Christ were the human attributes that were in the Spirit of Christ at the beginning.

While Eve was still within the spirit-man Adam, God told them to multiply. This is spiritual multiplication.

That meant waiting till they were put into separate physical bodies and then waiting until the Holy Spirit overshadowed Eve to produce the virgin born Christ. He would grow up and not have any sin to die for. Then He would call up just the right number of saints from the dust of the earth.

In Chapter 2 God breathed that human spirit into a body of flesh. Then He removed the feminine attributes into a physical woman’s body.

GENESIS 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

This was not creation from nothing, which is how man's spirit appeared.

This was forming a body from the dust that had already been created.

They had sex organs because they could not have free will unless they had the possibility of doing something different. God did not want robots who had no opportunity to do wrong. God wanted them to choose the right option after telling them what the wrong option was.

GENESIS 2:25   And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

God covered them in a holy veil so that they were unaware of their nakedness. They had no sex desire.

The woman had a veil of virginity as a further barrier to tell them that the sex act was wrong.

Only after they sinned did they become aware of their nakedness.

GENESIS 3:10   And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

:11   And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Sex made them aware of being naked. Eating fruit would not make anyone aware of being naked.

 

The original sin was Adam and Eve directly disobey God's commandment.

(Genesis 2:16–17)

An evasive answer that tells us nothing.

They were disobedient. But disobedience is a consequence of an action.

What did they actually do when they disobeyed God?

That action was so bad that it had to reap a harvest of death and suffering.

By claiming that they ate a harmless fruit, the church merely displays that it is completely ignorant of the meanings of Bible symbols. Unable to interpret Scripture they do not know what original sin actually was.

Do you think that impresses the atheists?

No wonder they think church people are a dumb bunch who talk about eating a good fruit that is forbidden as a very petty obedience test, and then punishing all women in childbirth. Plus, even worse, condemning everyone to death.

Atheists have no desire to worship that kind of illogical God.